On 07/04/2018 02:04 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 04/07/2018 à 09:54, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :
>> On 07/03/2018 11:04 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
>>> Le 04/07/2018 à 05:10, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :
>>>> On 07/03/2018 09:35 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
>>>>> Le 02/07/2018 à 10:49, Jimmy Johnson a écrit :
>>>>>> There is another option I do not see mentioned in this thread and
>>>>>> that is to purge network manager and use wicd exclusively, I have
>>>>>> done that and it works swell.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Better purge both.
>>>>>
>>>>>          Didier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>      As already said, they are useless - provided network-tools is
>>> installed and interfaces correctly configured - and these two network
>>> managers tend to configure/deconfigure the network interfaces in a
>>> way which isn't the one you want. They essentially mess up the
>>> configuration.
>>>
>>>          Didier
>>
>> It sounds like you are talking about network manager.  I don't believe
>> wicd has the traits you are talking about.  As for me it's handy to
>> connect and disconnect, mostly disconnect while using multimedia. I've
>> never heard of wicd doing anything wrong, it's certainly not part of
>> systemd or married to systemd in any way.
>>
>> Thanks,
>
>     Let me explain in a different way what I have understood - and I
> may be wrong on wicd because I remove it immediately after every
> install, as well as I used to do with network-manager.
>
>     There are 4 ways to configure your network:
>
>     1) Invoke the ip command and wpa_supplicant by hand all the time,
> or write your own scripts
>
>     2) the good old net-tools, which provides ifupdown, the interfaces
> file and all the ready-made scripts
>
>     3) network-manager, which is a replacement for the previous,
> decides of everything, and cannot be configured.
>
>     4) wicd, that is essentially the same logic as network-manager,
> rewritten and with another name.
>
>     They cannot live all three together: they continuously fight
> against each other.
>
>     net-tools gives you full power; it can be configured in great
> detail. At the cost of reading some docs, of course. network-manager and
> wicd do everything for you, but don't complain if it's not what you want.
>
>     And, to tell everything, if you need dynamic interfaces
> configuration/deconfiguration, you also need ifplugd or netplug (again,
> don't install both). I think netplug must be configured by editing the
> config file, while ifplugd is configured by running dpkg-reconfigure.
>
>             Didier


If you don't want to use wicd, that's fine, but blame it for things that
NM is doing is silly and technically not helpful to anyone.

Thanks,
--
Jimmy Johnson

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