On 05/26/2018 04:57 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2018 26 May 00:24 -0500, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>> I'm looking at it this way, Devuan is an alternative to systemd and Trinity
>> is an alternative to plasma and I strongly feel systemd and plasma are
>> married to each other

> I am running Slackware Current (similar to Debian Unstable) on a laptop
> with Plasma5 packaged by alienbob and no systemd in sight. Plasma5 is
> quite clearly capable of full functionality on a system completely
> lacking a systemd installation.
>
> - Nate


Hi Nate! alienbob is a workaholic, every group needs one. I've parted
with Patrick, he's a fun guy to hang with and I love Slack and I have
installed Slack a few times and Patrick has installed it for me too
while at kde4 release at google. I wish I was using it, but I have
disabilities that keep me from being much of a keyboarder and I'm very
thankful for point-n-click linux and Debian apt.

Nate do you know if kde from Slackware can be ported to Debian or
Devuan? Something like that would be a blessing for a kde user.

Plasma has packages who's names end with D and all are related to
systemd and do systemd service even when systemd is not there and they
are being started with any init system you are using, they can be
removed, but you have to find the buggers first. Life today is a
struggle to be without systemd.

Like other people I have been playing with removing systemd for a long
time, but only the last month did I get serous about leaving systemd
completely, as a linux tester it was a hard choice to make and now I see
there is a real war going on to keep systemd out of your OS.

You should spend a week with Trinity and see all the things that you are
missing in Plasma. KDE3 is a award winning desktop both Unix and
Groupware compliant and very configurable. I've added a snapshot of my
Ceres system, enjoy. https://paste.pics/36KUG

Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson

Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263