On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Douglas Guptill wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:36:18PM +0200, Evilham wrote:
>
> > Why? Devuan is having a Governance crisis. Surely, I am not the only
> > one noticing this.
>
> I get much the same impression.

I get the impression that people here like to complain and repeat the
same things over and over even if they had answers.

we are professionals, we have our own time to do things and yes, we do
have vacations, especially after releasing a working and stable
software.

at Dyne.org we are using Devuan as a base for several mission-critical
software and we are circumventing stalls by duplicating the
infrastructure for our own use and now also neo900's. While I'm not
sure this is the way to go, I start thinking that such a big
distribution may want to have the 'stable' and 'testing' and
'experimental' concepts not only extended to its product, but also to
its pipeline for production (the CI).

if you love this project I kindly ask you to keep patient and help us
celebrate the diversity of efforts in Devuan as well the
achievements. Going on for 2/3 months about how we as developers don't
have time to give much attention on what people write all teh time is
not the best way and WARNING may be considered off-topic for this
channel. We are certainly not interested in hosting here such
speculations.


> Perhaps, now that the first release is out, the persons who have
> accomplished so much in the past two years are taking a breather, or
> suffering burnout.

taking a breather is done (despite all the noise coming from here) and
now already on setting up more infra and more projects. This year we
will soon be able to offer enterprise level support for those using
Devuan and we believe *that* and the results you can rely upon will be
a seal of quality for our work, more than a thousand words..

> If that is the case, how can the new devuaners take some of the load?

we hope so even if not in need, we made a proposal to open the gates
(Katolaz' scorsh) simplifying and making the whole infrastructure more
transparent, the proposal is opposed by some developers. The rest is
written in the archives, that's where we are. there is no crisis or
bornout, but there are people on this list that should express less
"feelings" for the sake of limiting the FUD.

ciao