On 01/09/2017 at 20:36, zap wrote:
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>> I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they
>> still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working
>> (blobbed init code + ME enabled as they insisted on a crappy intel soc)
>> Purism isn't a trustworthy company.
> Gee, I thought purism was a trustworthy company, I mean they claim you
> can get the latest and the greatest without intel me
This is *not* what they claim:

https://puri.sm/learn/intel-me/

"Freeing the ME is a challenge, but not impossible"

"By working with Intel, motherboard design developers, as well as our
coreboot developers, Purism has put in motion a solid approach on how to run
a freed Intel ME *in the future*."

Emphasis mine.
How far into the future?

https://puri.sm/products/

"This can be applied as a software update for the existing Librem 13 v1
(porting to other existing models is ongoing), and this will also be
available factory-installed starting Q3 2017"

Right now this is what they have achieved:

"A neutralized ME"

"While finishing our first coreboot port, we have successfully neutralized
the Intel ME thanks to the great work of the “me_cleaner” project, removing
its kernel, network stack, and about 92% of the Intel ME binary. There
remains a little over 7% before complete removal."

The complete removal is in the works:

"We are working to completely remove (or reverse engineer, as we have begun
to do) the Intel ME, on all our models, and will update on our blog (and
this page) as we make progress on that front."

> in it and also they
> claim that they can sprinkle magic fairy dust on all the hardware so
> that you can use it all without any blobs or firmware that is
> proprietary...

Again, this is *not* what they claim:

https://puri.sm/learn/blobs/ and
https://puri.sm/about/competitors/

They do *not* state that their products are free of any binary blob, they
state that *their* software does not have any, from Coreboot on, and that
the motherboard's BIOS is *partially* free of binary blobs.

> Doesn't that sound just plain trustworthy? Can you
> honestly say that they cannot be trusted?

They are honest in what they say. Could you prove they lied of misguided
people in their statements please let everyone know.



Alessandro