On 23.07.2017 15:16, Florian Zieboll wrote:

> | The production of a laptop consumes so much energy that for energetic
> | reasons it is never worthwhile to exchange an old, still functional
> | device for a new, more energy-efficient device.

Funny, as these are exactly the guys who want us to replace basicly all
old-fashioned and matured tech by fancy new toys, just because it uses
a few percent less power, even prohibit the good old light bulb, so the
expensive "energy safer" lamps (w/ nice ingredients like hg) can be
sold.

Didn't follow the whole thread, but IMHO it was about less costs on an
*individual* level (which is very different from large organizations),
eg. time spent by hobbyists is valued $0, just as stuff which is
already laying around anyways. OTOH, in poor african countries, some
things that are cheap here can be very expensive, while other things
might be very cheap there (eg. solar energie is pretty cheap there,
once they have the solar cells, because they have much more sun).

> | If the new laptop is
> | ten percent more economical than the old one, it would have to be used
> | for almost 90 years, until it was worthwhile - from the point of view
> | of climate protection.

Ah, I knew that 'climate' religion has to come up again. As it has to
in political/religious institutions.

> | There are, of course, many good
> | reasons to buy a new computer. Energy saving is not part of it. [1]
> | (google translation)

Of course. Planned obsolescense and just poor quality is a reason.
(when old tech just doesn't work anymore - on purpose)

Funny that especially "our" administration does *nothing* about the
planned obsolescence and poor quality. Obviously, that wouldn't be
in corporate interests. (yes, we've living in a fascist regime)


--mtx