On 7/10/17 4:37 PM, golinux@??? wrote:

> On 2017-07-10 15:25, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>>
>>> We are the community. We need to act for ourselves.
>>>
>>>
>> So far, that's not working all that well.
>>
>> Miles Fidelman
>
> Miles, I just have to ask If you think think it's not working too
> well who is to blame? Please answer this question . . . what you
> have done lately for Devuan? If not you and each and everyone of us,
> who?
>
For Devuan, not much.

As a user, I have not installed any version of Debian that uses systemd,
and I've basically stopped contributing to the Debian-user list (other
than to recommend that folks avoid ecosystems that have become enmeshed
with systemd).

As to, who is to blame - systemd is being pushed by a very well placed,
very well funded group of people - and, despite LOTS of objections, the
Debian powers that be adopted systemd lock, stock, and barrel, and
basically rejected all those who objected. And, as goes Debian, so goes
a bunch of other distros.

There's a point at which this all becomes unstoppable, unless some
equally well-placed & influential folks start pushing back VERY hard.

By the way - let me note that, when I posted here a few months back,
asking who was going to be at the Libre Planet conference in Boston - in
the hopes of organizing a panel or a BOF session - pretty much the
unanimous answer was "can't make it."

Miles Fidelman

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra