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Autor: parazyd@dyne.org
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Para: Bruce Perens
CC: dng
Assunto: Re: [DNG] grsecurity ripoff by Google, with Linus' approval WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Bruce Perens wrote:

>    > On IRC it was mentioned that you will lose access if
>    > you redistribute, but you are in no way restricted from redistributing.


>    So, what you are saying is that you are permitted to redistribute the
>    latest grsecurity patch, but that the company will as a penalty
>    disallow you from further being their customer or receiving any
>    additional versions of the patch. And this might not be written down,
>    but it's their policy.


Yes. We have yet to see it happen though.

>    The punitive action is not incidental, it is a direct punishment for
>    the taking of an action which the GPL requires to be permitted.
>    I don't think a judge would have an problem with seeing this as a
>    deliberate contract violation.


There is very little ground to actually make up a court case. Nobody has
been blocked yet, and nobody has publicly (re)distributed the non-public
patches.

>    On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:02 PM, [1]parazyd@???
>    <[2]parazyd@???> wrote:

>
>      On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Bruce Perens wrote:
>      >    > You are allowed to redistribute the patch legally, but you
>      shall
>      >    > simply lose access to future patches. One could call it
>      blackmail,
>      >    > another would call it a business move.
>      >    Do you work for [1][3]grsecurity.net or do you have first
>      knowledge of
>      >    this fact? I think a pretty good case could be made that this
>      is an
>      >    added term under section 6.
>      I do have first-hand (informal) information from Brad (spender).
>      When
>      buying the patches and support from Grsecurity you are signing a
>      contract. On IRC it was mentioned that you will lose access if you
>      redistribute, but you are in no way restricted from redistributing.
>      Very few people have actually seen the contract, and it is only
>      given to
>      parties that are grsecurity customers.
>      GPL2 (Section 6)
>      > Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the
>      Program),
>      > the recipient automatically receives a license from the original
>      licensor
>      > to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms
>      and
>      > conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the
>      recipients'
>      > exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for
>      > enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.

>
>    --
>    ~ parazyd
>    GPG: 0333 7671 FDE7 5BB6 A85E  C91F B876 CB44 FA1B 0274

>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:parazyd@dyne.org
>    2. mailto:parazyd@dyne.org
>    3. http://grsecurity.net/


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