> If "we" want increase the number of outsiders to be part of the
ecosystem, then do it on our terms

:-)

You can't do it *all *on your terms. Because nobody would come at all. But
you can have what's important to you.

Apple actually didn't win because it had a big marketing department and
psychologists. Just Steve. I worked with Steve for 12 years, and during
part of that time had an office right across from his at Pixar. Steve
understood a lot of stuff that would help Free Software. His lessons are
right there for us to use, if we can only make ourselves listen.

    Thanks

    Bruce

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:10 AM, marc <marcxdv@???> wrote:

> > One of the greatest problems in Free Software is that, so far, we make it
> > just for us. So, we are the only folks who use it, and we don't get the
> > rest of the world to use Free Software, and we lose out on any number of
> > important things because of that. Important things for the* world,* and
> for
> > Free Software. The rest of the world runs bad software and their security
> > and privacy suck. They buy into DRM. What they do is controlled by big
> > companies, because they have become slaves of their tools. They don't
> know
> > what electronic freedom is. And for us: hardware doesn't support our
> > software. Media doesn't support our software. I could go on...
>
> I disagree with both the motivation you ascribe to the
> gnome developers and the approaches taken to attract outside
> users.
>
> If you want to have everybody use "linux" then this already
> has happened - android is linux, in many regards. And it
> is terrible.
>
> If "we" want increase the number of outsiders to be
> part of the ecosystem, then do it on our terms - the world
> we have allows software to be bent to our will, not the
> other way round. Hence the customisation and theming.
>
> Imagine a corporate run world where people have to
> live in branded houses with 3 choices of interiors.
>
> Just consider ubuntu - the most "outsider-friendly"
> distribution. It has no problem installing nonfree software
> and spying on its users - what prevents it making more
> ethical compromises and turning into android for the PC ?
> And mozilla and the W3C lurching toward adding DRM.
>
> I should write a clearer response to your arguments
> at some point, but the excitement you see in an apple
> store is carefully crafted by psychologists and a
> multimillion marketing budgets. I am sure the people
> picking the endangered wood trim for their yachts are
> also more exited than the guy planting cotton, despite
> the former being worse for the planet.
>
> regards
>
> marc
>
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