On 2017-03-15 21:32, Christopher Clements wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:55:57AM -0500, golinux@??? wrote:
>> But what is the point? Our freedoms are being eroded on all fronts -
>> we are drowning in a tsunami of reversal of choice dictated by those
>> in power be they Debian or corporations or government.
>> Rather than piss in the wind...
>
> To make this a metaphor, what about pissing _upwind_?
> I've seen some others suggest notifying upstream developers that making
> systemd mandatory is a bad idea, and it (notifying them) seems like a
> good idea, if only to make things easier for Devuan porters.
>

That is an excellent idea. Would be great if someone got organized
enough to start a dialog with EVERY upstream dev individually and/or
collectively. Unfortunately, that would be a mammoth task requiring
more time than most people could find. I've done work like that on
various issues and know from experience, it is a full time job.

>
>> I don't see that putting my (insignificant) name on a list of whiners
>> as a productive action. It would just get laughed at and stomped on
>> like ants by Paul Bunyan.
>
>
> It's less about _who_ is on the list, and more about _how many_ names
> are listed.
>
> It's hard to deny there is a problem in the face of a veritable tsunami
> of proof.
>

That depends on your definition of a 'veritable tsunami of proof'. I
have no idea what numbers might catch their attention but I imagine it
would have to be several hundred thousand at a minimum including a long
list of big names/enterprises. That would be another excellent project
for someone reading this to take on. Steve's list could just be the
first step.

Why not follow your own tactical advice and DO something. As for me . .
. I've already got my hands full. From the time I get up in the
morning till lights out past midnight 7 days a week, I am working on
something to advance devuan in one way or another.

golinux