Go Linux <golinux@???> said...

> Perhaps you didn't understand my comment about Clearlooks. Basically it's
a dead project so hardly
> anything to boast about. It does not play well with gtk3 apps so windows
are not styled consistently.
> Clearlooks-Phenix fixes most of those problems in Jessie and even has an
openbox option! But who
> knows if it will work in ascii because gtk3 is turning into an unholy
mess that keeps breaking window
> themes. The alternatives I've looked at are not promising.

Sorry, you're right, I misread your comment. Just goes to show why I could
benefit from Clearlooks. Anyway, sorry to hear that gtk3 is messing things
up for developers, though I shouldn't be surprised. I think I've worked it
out to a formula: Systemd+gtk3=Linux_Windows

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fsmithred <fsmithred@???> said:

> You can still get blank CD media.

Well, that at least is an advantage over floppy disks, which are
collectors' items now.

> That said, I'm ready to drop that
> requirement. Getting jessie to fit in 700MB caused some trouble for me.
> For those who must stay below 700MB, there will be no-X isos available as
> there were in the past. (I removed the nox isos because they had dmo
> packages, and I never got around to replacing them. Since Jessie is
> reaching old-age now, I'm looking at doing that for ascii.)

Sounds good to me!

> I seem to recall that it wasn't any easier to get wireless working in
> Debian until recently. When did they start automatically installing
> non-free firmware? As usual, I'm open to suggestions. (Now that I think
> about it, I may have a solution already on my hard drive. If I can find
> it...) Having the non-free drivers pre-installed is probably not going to
> happen.

I can only say that when I installed mainstream Devuan, I don't recall
having to manually select any firmware packages to get my wifi up and
running. Seems like the only thing I had to do was set up wicd - whatever
drivers were needed were already there. But I admit to ignorance on how
this magic is performed - maybe there are non-free drivers installed
without my knowledge. I would think that if non-free stuff is needed, there
should be some kind of dialog box that pops up to explain this and asking
if you want to proceed with installing that or not. I do agree that
closed-source stuff sucks, and it certainly better to avoid it if possible.
Not sure what else I can say about this.

> I can almost guarantee that there will be a future release with noteworthy
> features. Maybe even game-changing features, but that depends on what
> happens with other projects.

I can almost guarantee that as long as I'm still breathing, I'm going to
keep resisting systemd. So I'm keenly interested in Devuan and Refracta,
and look forward to reporting new developments.

Thanks again for all the fine development work...I certainly couldn't do it.

cheers,
Robert