On 02/09/16 23:39, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
> Dave Turner wrote on 02/09/16 20:12:
>> On 02/09/16 01:38, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
>>> Ralph Ronnquist wrote on 01/09/16 08:51:
>>>>
>>>> My worry is that the OS_TYPE=255/255/255 condition is not distinct
>>>> enough to make the action apply exactly and only for scanners.
>>>> Comparing
>>>> with udev rules, you'll find there are more than a few rules for USB
>>>> devices, and almost all of them make their classification based on the
>>>> vendor/product pair (rather than the capability declarations).
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> I'm a little bit at a loss here, as I can't find anything in the vdev
>>> tree dealing with, say, scanners or, say, mode switching USB devices.
>>> Since those are major chunks in udev rules, I'm just confused. Have I
>>> misunderstood?
>>>
>>> I find "scanner" mentioned in the hwdb, but there is no formal
>>> classification of those other than identifying as usb (or pci);
>>> nothing classifying them as scanners (unless you'd regard the model
>>> label as such). I wish someone could explain things for me...
>>>
>>> Ralph.
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>>
>> I loathe the 'feature' of udev that forces you to create or modify
>> /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android to let your cheap'n'cheerful unlisted
>> Android Device get through udev security. And now it seems that vdev is
>> about to force the same thing. I know it isn't easy to completely
>> re-think how things should be done, do OSX and the BSDs have a different
>> and better way of doing this sort of thing?
>>
>> I want to ask you why a database of $V/$P/$N mappings is needed. It is
>> my laptop and my cheap Android tablet and I want to plug it into the USB
>> socket and have them play nicely together. God knows what I would have
>> done if I was just a normal ordinary person. I would have concluded that
>> linux was shit and gone back to my Mac or Windoze.
>>
>> dmesg knew all about my android tablet when I plugged it in, why can't
>> vdev pick it up from there?
>>
>> this is what I had to add into 51-android having had a look at dmesg
>> first.
>>

>> #    my cheap Android tablet
>> ATTR{idVendor}=="1f3a", ENV{adb_user}="yes"

>
> I suppose the issue is to make sure that the right user have the right
> access to the right devices when she wants to use the computer, whilst
> making sure that the wrong user doesn't have the wrong access
> regardless of what he wants to do.
>
> Traditionally on Linux, the means to achieve this would be to use file
> permissions. Then more recently, the notion of access control lists
> was invented to offer a more dynamic access control. And then even
> more recently "people" have decided that this is an insanely hard
> problem, which requires an insane solution.
>
> Given the scope of possible use cases, perhaps the permission handling
> should be taken elsewhere, and make the hotplug handler only deal with
> ensuring the device is functional and available to the permission
> handling sub system. Maybe even the latter could be PAM (although I
> don't know if PAM can make device access be allowed rather than just
> judging whether or not it is allowed).
>
> Ralph.
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So, what if some daemon or other knows I have plugged in my Android
device and brings up a window telling me to click here to access my
Android device or Cancel? The daemon then does the necessary things and
it Just Works.

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