On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 05:12:13PM +0000, Go Linux wrote:
> Regarding https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=832508 on the demise of systemd-shim. Posting here because it's unlikely many will see a post to devuan-discuss (if it ever gets approved).

> Message #10 received at 832508@??? (full text, mbox, reply):
> From: "Iain R. Learmonth" <irl@???>
> On 26/07/16 10:09, Martin Pitt wrote:
> > Neither Steve nor I still have any interest in maintaining
> > systemd-shim. Debian's default init system is systemd, Ubuntu supports
> > nothing else any more (and does not even have systemd-shim any more),
> > upstart is gone from both Debian and Ubuntu, so the only use case for
> > it right now is running Debian with SysVinit (in particular, on
> > non-Linux flavors).
>
> Just a suggestion, but maybe ping a Devuan mailing list. If those guys
> are interested in continuing to support sysvinit then maybe they would
> be happy to take this.
>
> I'd much prefer to see efforts within Debian that can benefit a wider
> community than hacks patched on top that only benefit a smaller group.

I'd propose giving them some gasoline to burn systemd-shim with. It's a
tool to run *drumroll* systemd on a system not yet running it as pid 1.
With a good part of systemd's downsides, none of the benefits.

And, what's worse, its presence allowed many packages to introduce absolute
dependencies on systemd (usually via libpam-systemd).

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