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From: "Simon Walter" <simon@???>
To: <dng@???>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news


> On 07/26/2016 08:03 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:06:09PM +0000, hellekin wrote:
>>> On 07/25/2016 06:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>>>> This is a screenshot of my buddy's kernel menuconfig:
>>>>
>>>> https://sanitarium.net/x.png
>>>
>>> Support for init systems, system and service managers:
>>>
>>> [*] OpenRC, runit and other script based systems and managers
>>> [ ] systemd
>>>
>>> This looks like a huge troll against systemd.
>>
>> That setting being deselected means exactly nothing. It's the same state
>> as
>> on Debian, Devuan or even systemd-only Red Hat. All that Gentoo did was
>> adding a convenience switch that, when triggered, turns on everything
>> needed
>> to use systemd. These settings happen to be on on any general-purpose
>> distribution as, tight embedded excepted, you want stuff like fanotify or
>> being able to run containers.
>>
>
> I was thinking...
>
> We have sites like: http://without-systemd.org
>
> It would be nice to have a list of software that is dedicated to using
> systemd and software that has optional integration. Along with that
> software.
>
> We also need to have a list of news with the findings that we keep
> bringing up on this list to track systemd creep.
>
> We need to drive a wedge into the FOSS community and separate the desktop
> users from the professionals. I am sorry to be divisive, but the water is
> under the bridge and the damage has already been done. We need to know who
> shit in the sandbox so professionals can avoid the turds. It's been going
> like this ever since you have these evangelicals and journalists screaming
> for "the year of the linux desktop".
>
> I have a question about what Simon Richter said on his
> blog(http://www.simonrichter.eu/blog/2016-03-03-why-sysvinit.html):
>
> "Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully
> uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the lid,
> and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support Debian's
> decision to use systemd as the default init for new installs, because it
> makes sense to use the default that is good for the vast majority of
> users."
>
> Is that really the case? Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out
> what their users wanted and who were their typical users? Desktop/personal
> vs. server/professional? Did they consult their package survey stats?
>
> I wasn't participating in those discussions. Maybe I should have. For
> that, my friends, I am sorry. I am sorry to open a can of worms of perhaps
> what is a sensitive issue with those of you who were involved in the
> discussion and the exodus.
>
> The reason I want to know about that is because if most Debian users are
> desktop users, perhaps it's for the better that they went with systemd as
> the default. It gives more credence to Devuan as the professional choice.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Simon

I do not agree with your opinion, I am a regular user and do not want for
anything in my pc to systemd.

For me if desktops is important because it gives the possibility that devuan
is not intended only for servers, but any user, from a child to an old man
can not use the same on a server in your latop.

Best Regards
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