On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message
> <33d1c1ed-16ae-e76a-9086-e770b0d99ca2@???>:
>
> >
> > Michael Prokop schrieb am 19.07.2016 um 23:22:
> > > * Klaus Fuerstberger [Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:41:01AM +0200]:
> > >
> > >> as I could not post a blog comment at
> > >> http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I want
> > >> to leave a comment to this article here.
> > >
> > >> Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on providing
> > >> new releases without systemd packages. There is no need for this
> > >> bloated piece of software for a text based distribution for system
> > >> admins. Maybe you can base grml on devuan, a systemd-free,
> > >> debian-based distribution in the future? https://devuan.org/ I am
> > >> sure that you will get help there if there are any questions.
> > >
> > > JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because that
> > > is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering Grml even
> > > more flexibility WRT service startups, independent from our default
> > > configuration.
> >
> > You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think
> > Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at
> > startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of
> > course it is your decision.
> >
> > > If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're
> > > invited to work on that, you might be also interested in picking up
> > > file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer (file-rc being
> > > the init system we relied on so far and where no maintainer seems to
> > > be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and me will orphan it).
> >
> > Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I will
> > not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But as grml is
> > also listed in
> > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions
> > I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there
> > will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this systemd
> > free.
>
> ..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568
> Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web
>
> ..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than e.g.
> Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.
>
> --
> ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
> ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
> Scenarios always come in sets of three:
> best case, worst case, and just in case.
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Alex