On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:09:14 +0200, Alexander wrote in message
> <20160720120914.GC25029@???>:
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> > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message
> > > <33d1c1ed-16ae-e76a-9086-e770b0d99ca2@???>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael Prokop schrieb am 19.07.2016 um 23:22:
> > > > > * Klaus Fuerstberger [Mon Jul 18, 2016 at 09:41:01AM +0200]:
> > > > >
> > > > >> as I could not post a blog comment at
> > > > >> http://blog.grml.org/archives/394-Is-Grml-still-alive.html I
> > > > >> want to leave a comment to this article here.
> > > > >
> > > > >> Many thanks for grml all over the years. Please keep on
> > > > >> providing new releases without systemd packages. There is no
> > > > >> need for this bloated piece of software for a text based
> > > > >> distribution for system admins. Maybe you can base grml on
> > > > >> devuan, a systemd-free, debian-based distribution in the
> > > > >> future? https://devuan.org/ I am sure that you will get help
> > > > >> there if there are any questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > JFTR, we definitely plan to ship Grml *with* systemd, because
> > > > > that is the way to go for us and also gives people remastering
> > > > > Grml even more flexibility WRT service startups, independent
> > > > > from our default configuration.
> > > >
> > > > You made Grml for people to be flexible in remastering it? I think
> > > > Grml was, and is complete as it is. If I want to add a daemon at
> > > > startup I need no systemd to successful remastering Grml. But of
> > > > course it is your decision.
> > > >
> > > > > If you're interested in a Grml flavor *without* systemd you're
> > > > > invited to work on that, you might be also interested in
> > > > > picking up file-rc as upstream respectively package maintainer
> > > > > (file-rc being the init system we relied on so far and where no
> > > > > maintainer seems to be present anymore, esp. once both Alex and
> > > > > me will orphan it).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the invitation to maintain Grml with sysvinit. But I
> > > > will not have the time to maintain such a big change alone. But
> > > > as grml is also listed in
> > > > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions
> > > > I send a copy of this post to the devuan mailing list. Maybe there
> > > > will be someone who is using Grml and interested to keep this
> > > > systemd free.
> > >
> > > ..looks like Grml is a loss: http://bts.grml.org/grml/issue1568
> > > Pity. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=alternatives+to+udev&ia=web
> > >
> > > ..systemd, udev etc pötterication has no more tech etc merit than
> > > e.g. Erdogan's ban on Turk academics going on e.g. vacation abroad.
> > >
> >
> > Please don't Cc our mailinglist again.
>
> ..from which mailing list am I now being banished? ;o)
> I am aware I am not welcome on Debian mailing lists due to my knowledge
> of banana republic politics and how they brought systemd upon Debian,
> and therefore didn't cc any Debian mailing lists. ;o)
You are also not welcome on grml mailinglists.

Alex