I have read about half of this thread and decided I would make my
comments at the most recent response, so Jaromil wins (loses?!).

Most of what I have read is arguments between uber-geeks.
They can pin debian packages and make it do what they want but their
needs seems to be... limited.
The tips on how to work around hplip for hp printers are interesting and
I will try them on the debian sid installation on my elderly iMac.

Damn near everything I might want to do are deeply tied into systemd.
I don't like that.
The work-arounds are hard work. I have a life.
The ECU for the fuel injection on my Harley-Davidson has died.
Harley have very helpfully made the replacement ECU obsolete.
S&S Cycle can supply but only on Special Order.
Being a grumpy old tattooed biker I decided to remove everything related
to fuel injection and fit a carburettor.
That isn't as easy as it sounds.
Harley have made the ignition module and the wiring harness for
carburetted bikes obsolete.
Luckily the Sad Old Fart can (and has) used rejected bits of ECU wiring
harness to make a new wiring harness to work with the carburetor.
Daytona Twin Tec provided the the very nice ignition module.

Sad Old Fart _really_ doesn't want to have to do that for his assorted
computers.

Nas4Free does the hifi - full of FLAC files.
SONOS do the wifi to hifi, and and BIG bi-amplified speakers make the noise!
(using crossovers in loudspeakers is sooooo 20th Century - and if you
are still using them, well, you know nothing!)
I was working with tri-amplified speaker setups in 1980.

Sad Old Fart is VERY pleased he persuaded the company he works for not
to upgrade debian beyond wheezy.

And the uefi laptop I am using to write this also runs debian sid
because I need the very latest packages for trying my hand at Android
development.

My tired old Toshiba laptop runs devuan, but that is for fun.

DaveT Audio Engineering Society member amongst other things.

On 14/07/16 16:17, Jaromil wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
>>> Percentage of Debian 8 packages you can use of you don't want systemd
>>> around (again, unless I've missed any) is thus:
>>>

>>>    (43671 - 97) / 43671 * 100 = 99.77%

>>
>> That's probably the reason why amprolla works so well.
>
> well the packages we mask are more and the list is on our website.
>
> nevertheless you are right in noting Amprolla's workload is not
> enormous (yet?) and even then we could spot some glitches in its
> functioning. as usual, this is a learning process and Nextime's
> silence on the matter can only signify he is working on it. the next
> version will be still in python but with space for C modules and
> that's where most of us are proficient so I guess there will be plenty
> of space for improvement. I also don't exclude having shard style
> caching and similar tricks on the forefront when necessary.
>
> ciao
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