hi there,

thanks for the post. Also many others here and among VUAs have tried
the pinning before proceeding with the debianfork plan and spotted
many limitations. Pinning cannot work for serious production and
long-term use, this was our conclusion. In my eyes anyone saying that
Devuan can be substituted by pinning is either an ignorant on the
matter or a very sadistic systemd hooligan who like to denigrate even
those who left in peace after a poisoned GR vote count.

However what I really wanted to say is that you can count on the fact
Devuan 1.0 will be out and stable well before April 2017. I believe
most developers involved understand this as possible. We may ask more
help and resources if the deadline approaches without progress, but I
really doubt that. We are at a good point already, its just that we
give to the *stable* word a way deeper meaning than what Debian does
nowadays. Helas.

BTW If there is a company that can step up and support some of the
work being done with a sponsorship, between now and October would
really be the good time for making an handshake. Currently standing
plans are that we'll push for a release candidate in September, which
will lead to more announcements and proper visibility for our
sponsors.

ciao

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, dev wrote:

> I have around 40 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS machines in production. They
> all need to be upgraded before April of 2017 when security patches
> become deprecated. I don't know if Devuan will be 1.0 stable by
> then but completely understand the complexity of the task at hand
> considering the tentacular and insidious reach of systemd. Our
> current plan is to go to 14.04 LTS where there is hopefully a
> minimum of systemd invasion, but any hope for a "Debian" pinning
> solution is certainly lost.
>
> As anxious as I am to install Devuan on everything, my users would
> not understand the decision to run beta software in production
> when/if something goes wrong. Here's hoping for a Devuan 1.0 sometime
> soon <crosses-fingers> and thanks go to those working hard to make
> that happen. Do not let BS comments like "an operative overreaction"
> discourage your efforts.
>
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