On 07/12/2016 08:45 PM, vmlinux wrote:
> There was a time when this sort of nonsense was heavily frowned upon. i suspect what has happened is that the user base has changed. it's difficult to learn the ropes from the cli so GUI allows the novice to do things quickly because the only skill needed is point-and-grunt. many people using Linux now are not the same type of people in your local LUG 10 years ago and i think this is being reflected in the way we see disastrous being developed now.
> devuan seems to be the one of the few distributions making any sense anymore.
>
> don't need Kali. most network problems can be resolved with the basics anyway: arping, arp, tcpdump, nslookup, traceroute, netcat, and iptraf. thankfully all standard tools.
>

Problems, yes sure. What about attacking your network AKA pen testing.
Have you heard of the metasploit framework? I need to learn more about
that and some of the other automation tools. It's nice to be able to
throw a bunch of attacks at your network before others do. That seems to
be the purpose of Kali and it's predecessors. I don't know if I would
call it a troubleshooting tool. It's possible to troubleshoot network
problems with Windows.

Though I agree that the point and "grunt" style is a bit useless. Which
is why I wondered why Kali had a full blown GNOME. What about XFCE or
openbox? Something minimal please.