:: Re: [unSYSTEM] Anonymous - Official…
Etusivu
Poista viesti
Vastaa
Lähettäjä: Özer Tayiz
Päiväys:  
Vastaanottaja: System undo crew
Aihe: Re: [unSYSTEM] Anonymous - Official announcement for the worldwide Humanity Party
If you don't like the term anarcho-capitalist, I'm also totally fine with
agorist, free market anarchist, voluntaryist, individualist, etc.

As long as we live in a way to respect each other's life, liberty,
property, and only interact by voluntary transactions, I have no problem
whatever you call it.

I don't think capitalism is enemy. If you own money, savings, investments,
(property) and when you do work, try to end up better than before (profit
motive), you are engaging in capitalism.

As long as all of your transactions are voluntary win-win free market
transactions, there is no problem between free market capitalism and
anarchy.

Socialism, otoh, is based on strong central state and is totally against
freedom and voluntary transactions.

Although there are groups calling themselves anarcho-communists, that is an
oxymoron, imho.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:45 PM, psy <epsylon@???> wrote:

> > I don't believe in anarcho-pacifism. I believe in anarcho-capitalism, or
> > agorism. And countereconomics.
>
> Let me expose some ideas on this way, because I think people is really
> confuse in general with that.
>
> I am listening that "anarcho-capitalism" word to describe a political
> way I think from 10 years ago. And I cannot see how this can be done.
>
> I have some friends that declared themselves as "anarcho-capitalists".
>
> How is that possible?.
>
> Anarchy is a theoretical/practical method to organize individuals and
> communities and capitalism is an economic system.
>
> To have that ideas together has no sense, from a pure anarchist mind.
>
> If we admit "anarcho-capitalism" as a form of anarchism, where are the
> "anarcho-parlamentarism" or "anarcho-socialism" or even, on a economical
> way, "anarcho-handtraders"...
>
> Is not same to said: "I am a crypto-anarchist", because cryptography is
> a tactical way and anarchism an strategy (long time method).
>
> They can both together and still has sense. Like "anarcho-pacifism".
>
> But capitalism?...
>
> Anarchy doesn't realize power as method. And capitalism is giving that
> power to an economical (no humanistic) theoretical system. This is a
> kind of oxymoron from a leftist point of view.
>
> I think that this people, that curiously tend to manage free software
> companies, "social" business, use bitcoin for speculation, gambling,
> etc.. ignore that old liberalism theories (ex: Tatcher, Reagen, etc..)
> wants exactly the same that them: "No states (no regulation) + only
> market rules".
>
> Don't confuse yourself from an anarchist point of view with capitalism.
>
> Capitalism is your enemy.
>
> You will cannot practice never anarchism by using capitalism. You always
> will be subjugated to market rules which are really anti-socials.
>
> I think that "anarcho-capitalism" is hiding an egocentric,
> individualistic behavior on it, that is better described using:
> "anarcho-individualism".
>
> > You see where all these are going? All these technologies empower the
> > people to be free, and restrict governments to control people.
>
> This was said by Marx a long time ago. Did you read "The Capital"?. He
> is explaining there at some chapters an utopia theory in which humans
> can dedicate their life to expand knowledge and machinery takes the hard
> work. This is not invented by computer hackers theories.
>
> So, you are describing a kind of "anarcho-marxism", also described by
> Asimov like "social technocracy". It is not new and of course, it is not
> related with "capitalism".
>
> I like that ideas (like theories) but there a lot of variables that we
> have nowadays that weren't described there.
>
> For example, Bitcoin. Because this can be used by "anarcho-socialism"
> but also by "anarcho-capitalism". Depending on how we manage that will
> have a more Sathosi final goal related or not.
>
> Because a "techno-fast-crypto-economy" ruled by banks and states can be
> another big daemon to fight. Usually them force revolution symbols on a
> reverse way. For example, Gandhi is at Indian money... Incredible!
>
> I will like to see again to all self-declared "anarcho-capitalists" to
> appears against from their caves to explain to the rest of anarchist
> movement what is providing their theories more than noise and confusion...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> unSYSTEM mailing list: http://unsystem.net
> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem
>
>