> History is a bunch of lies agreed upon by the winners of wars.
That's an oversimplification. While sounding like an obvious thing to
expect, that's not always the case. There are some very prominent examples
of losers writing the history, for example the ones covered here:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-historical-examples-of-history-being-written-by-the-losers
Also, I don't see the point of raising the "lack of historical records
during a genocide" concern, obviously the side being massacred has better
things to worry about than recording historical events.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
> Whenever I hear the phrase "history has proven"... Whose history?
>
> History is a bunch of lies agreed upon by the winners of wars. So the
> biggest bully gets away with the biggest lie. Because no one can punish him
> for lying.
>
> The greatest genocide in history was possibly the mass murder of 100
> million american indians, when america was "discovered", but you won't read
> about it much in any US public school history book. Or the history book of
> any US allies. Because USA has the biggest military now.
>
> If history has proved anything, imho, it has proved "ends justify means"
> don't work. Violent revolutions only give rise to even more violent and
> oppressive governments than they have fought against. So, violent
> revolutions fail to bring peace and prosperity and freedom.
>
> Here is a better version of history for freedom minded people, if anyone
> is interested:
>
> http://joeplummer.com/tragedy-and-hope-made-easy.html
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like reasonable conjecture, but it is just that - conjecture.
>>
>> Which means you can't use "history has proven" to make your case.
>>
>> Not to say that it means you're wrong, but once you start to introduce
>> your own analysis, you need more justification than an appeal to history.
>>
>>
>> Also: "guerilla"
>>
>>
>> On 08/07/16 16:13, Pablo wrote:
>>
>>> Sadly this isn't a revolution for two reasons, first, there's no
>>> guerrilla, the 'resistance' will be crushed by the state as soon as there's
>>> no more interest in keeping it alive, and second, most of the population
>>> won't support a marxist state. Democratic revolution is an oxymoron.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???
>>> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if this was meant as sarcasm but it raises a pretty solid
>>> point.
>>> I don't think there was ever a meaningful non-violent revolution
>>> except perhaps in India.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/07/16 15:57, Pablo wrote:
>>>
>>> Good luck escalating violence against the state, history has
>>> proven it surely is the best way to accomplish whatever you want.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, psy <epsylon@??? <mailto:
>>> epsylon@???> <mailto:epsylon@riseup.net <mailto:
>>> epsylon@???>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Finally from #NuitDebout at Paris (31 March 2016/today)...
>>> the ninja
>>> award goes to....
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKVk_gz7_04
>>>
>>> #KeepYouBack
>>>
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