>>     I say Erdogan is better than Ocalan. In terms of "lesser of two
>>     evils". They are still both evil. I support neither. Running
>>     violent hierarchies, initiating violence against all those who
>>     disagree with them. There is not even a disguise of Democracy in
>>     KCK main contract/declaration. What Ocalan says is the law. I
>>     posted resources on another email. 

>>     I didn't support Erdogan. Never even voted for him. Not even
>>     living in Turkey for the past 5 years. But I don't support Ocalan
>>     either.

>>     By the same logic, then you must be supporting Ocalan, Terrorism,
>>     and you are complicit in the murders of innocent civilians,
>>     thousands of them, initiated by PKK/KCK. 

>>     There are kurds against PKK/KCK too, do you know what happens to
>>     them? 

>>     KCK/PKK terrorism is not about a grassroots freedom movement. But
>>     replacing one violent central hierarchy with another. And one even
>>     more ruthless and brutal. 

>>     Turkish government is not innocent, and neither KCK/PKK. They both
>>     killed innocent civilians, both Turkish or Kurdish ethnicity.

>>     And there is no clear-cut distinction between ethnicities in
>>     Turkey. It is like a mixture in a melting pot. 

>>     Turkey wasn't even formed when the alleged "erminian genocide"
>>     happened. It was a falling Ottoman Monarchy in charge, at a time
>>     of world war. 

>>     The Turks did have their crimes, so did Armenians. They are not
>>     innocent either.

>>     Here are some facts, 2.5 million Turks and Muslim ottomans died in
>>     the same time, in the same region a time of war nonetheless, many
>>     victim of violence initiated by Armenians:

>>     http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa

>>     I'm not a "men's rights advocate", no. I'm a MGTOW. I do watch
>>     Sargon of Akkad, among other MGTOW youtubers. And I don't know how
>>     this is relevant to anything else here.

>>     Don't you agree men have basic human rights? Aren't men human?
>>     Don't rights and legal protections apply to everyone equally male
>>     or female? Should we presume men guilty till proven innocent, in
>>     any claim of rape, sexual assault, domestic violence accusation,
>>     just based on a woman's word, no evidence needed, no due process?
>>     What's wrong with MRA, even if I was an MRA? You make these
>>     statements as if they are proof of any invalid argument.

>>     And why do you continuously use name calling, shaming, personal
>>     insults towards me?

>>     That only proves to me you cannot handle facts and arguments I
>>     make logically. 

>>     :D

>>     On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Amir <amir@???
>>     <mailto:amir@dyne.org>> wrote:

>>         I talk about genocide of Kurdish civilians.

>>         He talks about terrorism against the Turkish state (occupying
>>         Kurdish
>>         areas).

>>         I talk about genocide of Armenians.

>>         He talks about genocide of Turks by Armenians (lies lies lies).

>>         I call him a supporter of Erdogan.

>>         He says Erdogan is better than the Kurds.

>>         You're also a "men's rights" advocate and probably watch
>>         Sargon of Akkad.
>>         You also swallow Turkish statist lies and would rather support
>>         Erdogan
>>         and deny that there is genocide against Kurdish civilians by
>>         the Kurdish
>>         state.
>>         That you refuse to defend the people fighting to defend their
>>         own right
>>         to their identity, forced migration and killing of civilians
>>         makes you
>>         complicit in being an oppressor.

>>         You are a fascist asshole.
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