>     I say Erdogan is better than Ocalan. In terms of "lesser of two
>     evils". They are still both evil. I support neither. Running
>     violent hierarchies, initiating violence against all those who
>     disagree with them. There is not even a disguise of Democracy in
>     KCK main contract/declaration. What Ocalan says is the law. I
>     posted resources on another email. 

>     I didn't support Erdogan. Never even voted for him. Not even
>     living in Turkey for the past 5 years. But I don't support Ocalan
>     either.

>     By the same logic, then you must be supporting Ocalan, Terrorism,
>     and you are complicit in the murders of innocent civilians,
>     thousands of them, initiated by PKK/KCK. 

>     There are kurds against PKK/KCK too, do you know what happens to
>     them? 

>     KCK/PKK terrorism is not about a grassroots freedom movement. But
>     replacing one violent central hierarchy with another. And one even
>     more ruthless and brutal. 

>     Turkish government is not innocent, and neither KCK/PKK. They both
>     killed innocent civilians, both Turkish or Kurdish ethnicity.

>     And there is no clear-cut distinction between ethnicities in
>     Turkey. It is like a mixture in a melting pot. 

>     Turkey wasn't even formed when the alleged "erminian genocide"
>     happened. It was a falling Ottoman Monarchy in charge, at a time
>     of world war. 

>     The Turks did have their crimes, so did Armenians. They are not
>     innocent either.

>     Here are some facts, 2.5 million Turks and Muslim ottomans died in
>     the same time, in the same region a time of war nonetheless, many
>     victim of violence initiated by Armenians:

>     http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa

>     I'm not a "men's rights advocate", no. I'm a MGTOW. I do watch
>     Sargon of Akkad, among other MGTOW youtubers. And I don't know how
>     this is relevant to anything else here.

>     Don't you agree men have basic human rights? Aren't men human?
>     Don't rights and legal protections apply to everyone equally male
>     or female? Should we presume men guilty till proven innocent, in
>     any claim of rape, sexual assault, domestic violence accusation,
>     just based on a woman's word, no evidence needed, no due process?
>     What's wrong with MRA, even if I was an MRA? You make these
>     statements as if they are proof of any invalid argument.

>     And why do you continuously use name calling, shaming, personal
>     insults towards me?

>     That only proves to me you cannot handle facts and arguments I
>     make logically. 

>     :D

>     On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Amir <amir@???
>     <mailto:amir@dyne.org>> wrote:

>         I talk about genocide of Kurdish civilians.

>         He talks about terrorism against the Turkish state (occupying
>         Kurdish
>         areas).

>         I talk about genocide of Armenians.

>         He talks about genocide of Turks by Armenians (lies lies lies).

>         I call him a supporter of Erdogan.

>         He says Erdogan is better than the Kurds.

>         You're also a "men's rights" advocate and probably watch
>         Sargon of Akkad.
>         You also swallow Turkish statist lies and would rather support
>         Erdogan
>         and deny that there is genocide against Kurdish civilians by
>         the Kurdish
>         state.
>         That you refuse to defend the people fighting to defend their
>         own right
>         to their identity, forced migration and killing of civilians
>         makes you
>         complicit in being an oppressor.

>         You are a fascist asshole.
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