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Skribent: Özer Tayiz
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Til: System undo crew
Emne: Re: [unSYSTEM] Turkish state is committing a genocide every day
"I can't believe anyone would seriously deny the Armenian genocide and then
send a link to a Turkish government website as evidence."

Of course, we should only listen to Armenian side of the story and believe
all accusations as being absolute truth, and give no thought to the other
side.

That makes perfect sense. Because there is no German based evidence about
what really happened in Holocaust.

*lol* You guys make me laugh so hard.


On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:45 PM, jamileh s.t. <xiaziyna@???>
wrote:

> I can't believe anyone would seriously deny the Armenian genocide and then
> send a link to a Turkish government website as evidence.
>
>
>
> On 25 June 2016 at 21:36, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
>
>> I say Erdogan is better than Ocalan. In terms of "lesser of two evils".
>> They are still both evil. I support neither. Running violent hierarchies,
>> initiating violence against all those who disagree with them. There is not
>> even a disguise of Democracy in KCK main contract/declaration. What Ocalan
>> says is the law. I posted resources on another email.
>>
>> I didn't support Erdogan. Never even voted for him. Not even living in
>> Turkey for the past 5 years. But I don't support Ocalan either.
>>
>> By the same logic, then you must be supporting Ocalan, Terrorism, and you
>> are complicit in the murders of innocent civilians, thousands of them,
>> initiated by PKK/KCK.
>>
>> There are kurds against PKK/KCK too, do you know what happens to them?
>>
>> KCK/PKK terrorism is not about a grassroots freedom movement. But
>> replacing one violent central hierarchy with another. And one even more
>> ruthless and brutal.
>>
>> Turkish government is not innocent, and neither KCK/PKK. They both killed
>> innocent civilians, both Turkish or Kurdish ethnicity.
>>
>> And there is no clear-cut distinction between ethnicities in Turkey. It
>> is like a mixture in a melting pot.
>>
>> Turkey wasn't even formed when the alleged "erminian genocide" happened.
>> It was a falling Ottoman Monarchy in charge, at a time of world war.
>>
>> The Turks did have their crimes, so did Armenians. They are not innocent
>> either.
>>
>> Here are some facts, 2.5 million Turks and Muslim ottomans died in the
>> same time, in the same region a time of war nonetheless, many victim of
>> violence initiated by Armenians:
>>
>>
>> http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa
>>
>> I'm not a "men's rights advocate", no. I'm a MGTOW. I do watch Sargon of
>> Akkad, among other MGTOW youtubers. And I don't know how this is relevant
>> to anything else here.
>>
>> Don't you agree men have basic human rights? Aren't men human? Don't
>> rights and legal protections apply to everyone equally male or female?
>> Should we presume men guilty till proven innocent, in any claim of rape,
>> sexual assault, domestic violence accusation, just based on a woman's word,
>> no evidence needed, no due process? What's wrong with MRA, even if I was an
>> MRA? You make these statements as if they are proof of any invalid argument.
>>
>> And why do you continuously use name calling, shaming, personal insults
>> towards me?
>>
>> That only proves to me you cannot handle facts and arguments I make
>> logically.
>>
>> :D
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Amir <amir@???> wrote:
>>
>>> I talk about genocide of Kurdish civilians.
>>>
>>> He talks about terrorism against the Turkish state (occupying Kurdish
>>> areas).
>>>
>>> I talk about genocide of Armenians.
>>>
>>> He talks about genocide of Turks by Armenians (lies lies lies).
>>>
>>> I call him a supporter of Erdogan.
>>>
>>> He says Erdogan is better than the Kurds.
>>>
>>> You're also a "men's rights" advocate and probably watch Sargon of Akkad.
>>> You also swallow Turkish statist lies and would rather support Erdogan
>>> and deny that there is genocide against Kurdish civilians by the Kurdish
>>> state.
>>> That you refuse to defend the people fighting to defend their own right
>>> to their identity, forced migration and killing of civilians makes you
>>> complicit in being an oppressor.
>>>
>>> You are a fascist asshole.
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