I can't believe anyone would seriously deny the Armenian genocide and then
send a link to a Turkish government website as evidence.



On 25 June 2016 at 21:36, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:

> I say Erdogan is better than Ocalan. In terms of "lesser of two evils".
> They are still both evil. I support neither. Running violent hierarchies,
> initiating violence against all those who disagree with them. There is not
> even a disguise of Democracy in KCK main contract/declaration. What Ocalan
> says is the law. I posted resources on another email.
>
> I didn't support Erdogan. Never even voted for him. Not even living in
> Turkey for the past 5 years. But I don't support Ocalan either.
>
> By the same logic, then you must be supporting Ocalan, Terrorism, and you
> are complicit in the murders of innocent civilians, thousands of them,
> initiated by PKK/KCK.
>
> There are kurds against PKK/KCK too, do you know what happens to them?
>
> KCK/PKK terrorism is not about a grassroots freedom movement. But
> replacing one violent central hierarchy with another. And one even more
> ruthless and brutal.
>
> Turkish government is not innocent, and neither KCK/PKK. They both killed
> innocent civilians, both Turkish or Kurdish ethnicity.
>
> And there is no clear-cut distinction between ethnicities in Turkey. It is
> like a mixture in a melting pot.
>
> Turkey wasn't even formed when the alleged "erminian genocide" happened.
> It was a falling Ottoman Monarchy in charge, at a time of world war.
>
> The Turks did have their crimes, so did Armenians. They are not innocent
> either.
>
> Here are some facts, 2.5 million Turks and Muslim ottomans died in the
> same time, in the same region a time of war nonetheless, many victim of
> violence initiated by Armenians:
>
>
> http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa
>
> I'm not a "men's rights advocate", no. I'm a MGTOW. I do watch Sargon of
> Akkad, among other MGTOW youtubers. And I don't know how this is relevant
> to anything else here.
>
> Don't you agree men have basic human rights? Aren't men human? Don't
> rights and legal protections apply to everyone equally male or female?
> Should we presume men guilty till proven innocent, in any claim of rape,
> sexual assault, domestic violence accusation, just based on a woman's word,
> no evidence needed, no due process? What's wrong with MRA, even if I was an
> MRA? You make these statements as if they are proof of any invalid argument.
>
> And why do you continuously use name calling, shaming, personal insults
> towards me?
>
> That only proves to me you cannot handle facts and arguments I make
> logically.
>
> :D
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Amir <amir@???> wrote:
>
>> I talk about genocide of Kurdish civilians.
>>
>> He talks about terrorism against the Turkish state (occupying Kurdish
>> areas).
>>
>> I talk about genocide of Armenians.
>>
>> He talks about genocide of Turks by Armenians (lies lies lies).
>>
>> I call him a supporter of Erdogan.
>>
>> He says Erdogan is better than the Kurds.
>>
>> You're also a "men's rights" advocate and probably watch Sargon of Akkad.
>> You also swallow Turkish statist lies and would rather support Erdogan
>> and deny that there is genocide against Kurdish civilians by the Kurdish
>> state.
>> That you refuse to defend the people fighting to defend their own right
>> to their identity, forced migration and killing of civilians makes you
>> complicit in being an oppressor.
>>
>> You are a fascist asshole.
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