Nice try to control the whole conversation, while you yourself use shaming
tactics liberally in all of your posts.

Somehow when I am called names, insulted, and shamed, (or at least
attempted to) you have no problem with that.

I'd totally agree not to use any insults, name calling, shaming, if
everyone else agrees to not do it against me either. I'm no moderator, but
here are my suggestions.

If we are to make logical debate, and not mud-slinging contests, we should
refrain from:

1) Shaming language, insults, etc, as listed in here:

https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

2)Logical fallacies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

3) Concern trolling:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll

In fact, any insult, shaming, or name calling I make is after someone
else's attempt to control and limit the conversation, with their own use of
shaming language and baseless personal attacks, towards me, only to show it
adds nothing to the conversation.

And I'm not anonymous at all. This is my real name, linked to my real life
google plus and facebook profile. Check anything you like about me, I'm an
open book. You won't find anything.

I can't say the same for everyone here. Though I understand the need for
anonymity, some of my activist friends are in jail, supporting anti-tayyip
protests (gezi park) online, on twitter and facebook and such.


On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:

> I told him to fuck off a week ago when he was using shame tactics to stop
> conversation. Takeaway is once you see someone using dirty debate tricks
> it's easier to just tell them off, ignore and move on.
>
> Unfortunately in anonymous communities, there is no time to educate people
> who innocently don't know how to debate and real agent-provocateurs can
> keep on coming back over and over with different names. This is my biggest
> issue with anonymity - though I do understand it's necessity in certain
> situations.
>
> Love
>
>
>
> On 25/06/16 20:27, Amir wrote:
>
>> Go back to mongolia oppressor.
>>
>> I bet you deny the Armenian genocide also.
>>
>> you are a statist fascist.
>>
>> To everyone: this guy is a secret supporter Erdogan but he will deny it.
>>
>> Özer Tayiz:
>>
>>> Haha baited
>>>
>>> Terrorist supporter misandrist detected.
>>>
>>> Amir:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Amir <amir@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> haha baited. Turkish misogynist statist detected.
>>>>>
>>>>> calls himself an anarchist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Özer Tayiz:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, right. As if that would solve anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kurdish seperatist terrorists are responsible for killing thousands
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> innocent people in Turkey. Both of Turkish and Kurdish ethnicity.
>>>>>>> And the
>>>>>>> PKK is aiming for even more oppression of the local population than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> current
>>>>>
>>>>>> Turkish government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here, a video of PKK killing Kurdish people:
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW2W9ihBkQ4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greece cannot handle their own financial crisis. Let alone take over
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> territory from Turkey. They're practically bankrupt. If EU didn't
>>>>>>> bail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> them
>>>>>
>>>>>> out, they would have collapsed long before now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And after Brexit, I doubt if there will be any EU left, in a decade
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And eastern-southern parts of Turkey (that Kurds claim) are among the
>>>>>>> poorest regions of Turkey, despite vast government support in terms
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> subsidies etc. They cannot survive on their own, if they were
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ever
>>>>>
>>>>>> separated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they are separated, they will only have a puppet dictator
>>>>>>> USA-Israel
>>>>>>> brings, just like the situation in occupied countries, like Iraq,
>>>>>>> Afghanistan, etc. And the local population will suffer from even
>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>> oppression.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is a solution to violence, it won't come from separatist
>>>>>>> terrorists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And no, US policy is not sane at all. US-Israel policy is a never
>>>>>>> ending
>>>>>>> war and separation of all middle east into hundreds of micro states.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> old "divide and conquer" strategy of all empires.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Trump or any other president won't even change a thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The american policy of "new american century" is above who wins which
>>>>>>> election. There is no president who can end imperialistic policies of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> USA.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/new-american-century/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here, this video explains what is happening in Middle East and why:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2Fi1rhYqc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an anarchist, born and raised in Turkey I don't agree with
>>>>>>> initiation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>> violence, or fascism on either side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And again I don't understand why this is even a discussion of this
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't have any actual power over these politics. No one asks me
>>>>>>> or you
>>>>>>> or members of this list, how to handle conflicts in Turkey or middle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> east.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other than:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't use fiat money. Use gold, silver, bitcoins. Barter. Get out of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> debt.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Learn how to live local, sustainable, resilient lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Including how to grow your own food, build your own house, and
>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>> own energy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Amir <amir@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://haber.sol.org.tr/video/video-hdpden-cizre-videosu-159328
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An attack in Istanbul dominates the news. Meanwhile the same
>>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>
>>>>>> day is happening everyday. Entire neighbourhoods being flattened,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>> being killed and pressure to force Kurds into big cities - all by the
>>>>>>>>>>> benevolent Turkish state.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile Hillary Clinton, the humanitarian, supports Erdogan and
>>>>>>>>>>> Turkish occupation of Rojava under the guise of a "no-fly zone".
>>>>>>>>>>> She
>>>>>>>>>>> stands with Erdogan, denying the Armenian genocide.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for endless, stupid war" by
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>
>>>>>> Assange: https://wikileaks.org/hillary-war/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At least Donald Trump has a sane foreign policy; support Rojava,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>
>>>>>> Turkey. All this talk by leftists about their compassion for refugees
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>> getting on my nerves, and actually seems to be a facade for their
>>>>>>>>>>> politics of power.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists don't care about refugees. It's all "feel goodism".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/Analysis/2faa5690-0cea-44cf-82c3-40aeb47cf871/-US-to-strengthen-friendship-with-Kurds-after-IS-
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump's foreign minister:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "First, he stated that the US will gather all its allies in Syria
>>>>>>>>>>> against IS, including Kurds who operate in the northern part of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> country known as Rojava [Syrian Kurdistan]."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "In [his] view, this way, the US will create and support “a
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>> area” in northern Syria."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about a real solution to the crisis, instead of lets bring
>>>>>>>>>>> all of
>>>>>>>>>>> Syria to Europe.
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