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Since I have no idea about what actually happened in the particular case of
Jake and any of his accusers (I know neither him nor any accusers), from
now on I will only suggest hypothetical ways to resolve such conflicts, in
a free market anarchy, like rape accusations, without state monopoly on
conflict resolution (police and courts).

1) First we must define rape. Nowadays many laws define consent and rape so
vaguely there is no clear cut line drawn between consensual sex and rape.
And this is by design.

For example, feminists are totally against any kind of recorded proof of
consent to sex, including simple and secure web apps. Or video recordings
of the act to be used at courts by evidence.

Google online if you don't believe me.

2) There are good principles to follow from history of justice and conflict
resolution. Like, presumed innocent till proven guilty and burden of proof
lies with the accuser.

More and more in western countries we see these principles thrown to the
trash when it comes to accusations like rape, domestic abuse, sexual
harassment and similar.

I have known several people who are ruined by false accusations. And it is
more common than most people think.

Men are presumed guilty till they prove innocence, which is a huge burden.

If anyone suggests that we get rid of evidence based investigation, and
presumption of innocence, and burden of proof to be shifted, I will only
remind that, you may be accused next too. Those protections are there to
protect all the innocent.

3) Definition of all crimes should be sex and gender neutral. Just like
murder can't be defined as a crime for one group (like blacks vs whites
etc), but not a crime for another, rape, domestic violence, and sexual
abuse cannot be legally defined as crimes only man can commit either.

Anyone can initiate violence and crime. It is an action any adult human is
capable of and therefore, should be accountable for.

A female can hold a handgun and kill a man, or threaten to kill a man as
easily as a man can hold a gun and kill a woman, or threaten to kill a
woman.

So this "men are the criminal aggressors, women are the victims" narrative,
totally based on bs lies and propaganda, should be discarded.

Somehow feminists are totally against that too. See laws for gender neutral
rape laws not being able to pass in Israel for example.

4) Whenever there is a proven crime, the punishment must be about repairing
the damage to the victim. In most practical terms, this would be the
criminal paying money to cover the costs of damage done by the violation of
the victim's live, liberty, and property. Plus any expenses made by the
private security, investigation, and conflict resolution. Burden of payment
is on the criminal.

I won't discuss things like how to put a $ amount to a rape victim's trauma
etc, but in a free market anarchy, voluntary justice system, there are
gazillions of ways we can do that. Just like, say, in a Common Law court,
people can judge a fast food company for millions of dollars in reparations
for one client who spilled hot coffee on herself and burned herself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cR5NWkWMzw

And common law is one voluntary conflict resolution system, but not the
only one. There maybe many other voluntary systems like that. But it has a
history of almost 1000 years, applied in many anglo-saxon english speaking
countries already. So that is one historical example.

Till then for both the falsely accused and victims of rape/harassment: I
suggest you video record everything, just in case.

Pen cams, keychain cams, wearable cams, cams on phones, hidden security
cams for homes etc are cheap and available everywhere.

I bet hacker/anarchist community here are well capable of using such
devices, no?

In case you are falsely accused, you prove your innocence. In case you are
abused, you can prove your abuse.

And we won't be arguing forever about who to believe in a "he said vs she
said" situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7y8IZys034

I won't reply any more to ad hominems and personal insults etc.

That adds nothing to the conversation.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:

> At the beginning of June 2016, news broke that a prominent member of the
> Hacker/Journalist/Leak
> Community had become the target of multiple serious allegations of sexual
> misconduct. I was aware
> of certain aspects of this person and after reading the accounts, certain
> things *clicked* for me
> which I had not seen or could not perceive before. If this person had
> acted alone, lead a
> double-life and secretly done terrible things, I might never have cared to
> collect this information.
> The most painful realization was that these things could never have been
> done alone, at every step
> of the way the Community *had* to have protected him, covered up the
> stories and shushed the
> victims. This event lead me to the tragic realization that the Open,
> Tolerant and Progressive Hacker
> Community of which I believed myself a member - was no more than a figment
> of my imagination.
> It is fair to say that in my heart I believe the victims, but I have
> chosen to maintain this
> repository with the highest level of impartiality that I can, so I might
> sleep at night even if I am
> proven to be wrong.
>
> https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate
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