You can't prove innapropriate touching with a rape kit obviously. The
We cant deny some women have used false accusations to their benefit. They
have ruined it for the rest of us. I often wonder if I'd even speak out if
I were to be raped. I would have 10 years ago. Now not so sure. And every
I don't know. Not enough consistency for my mind to be made up in this
case...not that it matters. The sad part is...Jake is done whether guilty
Ps. If ur going to reference Stefan as a reliable source you may want look
into his past of inconsistency. For ex. preaching against copyright and
copyright in order to shut it down. Just saying...doesn't help your point.
> Thats true but don't discount the fact that this is a unique case. A
> famous activist where the government has a vested interest to discredit him
> & by extension his work.
>
> I still don't think you get what I'm saying. I believe all the accusations
> documented on your github, it's some of the posts on this site and the site
> itself which makes me a bit uneasy
>
> http://jacobappelbaum.net
>
> Finally I don't firmly believe at all that government have tried to
> exacerbate/influence events just wanted to say that it was possible and
> something we should be cautious of. Don't act all shitty and dismissive.
> On 17 Jun 2016 9:20 p.m., "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:
>
>> You read the whole thing? What I put in the mailing list is only the
>> statement of motivation.
>>
>> I have thoughts about the govt conspiracy theories on this but I'm not
>> going to share them.
>> According to the CDC* 1 in 5 women have been raped, if we are worth
>> anything as a community
>> we need to commit to changing that number and navel-gazing about
>> government plots and due
>> process is not going to make that happen.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> * http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/SV-DataSheet-a.pdf
>>
>>
>> On 17/06/16 21:55, jamileh s.t. wrote:
>>
>>> I read your post Caleb, I don't really see how what I said is
>>> contradictory. It is totally possible that government does social
>>> engineering to exacerbate situations(like in the leaks of gchq slides) and
>>> that Jacobs people have also done this(opposing). That is all I meant to
>>> convey.
>>>
>>> On 17 Jun 2016 8:47 p.m., "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@??? <mailto:
>>> cjd@???>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was thinking all of the different thoughts like you at the
>>> beginning.
>>> I spent 2 or 3 days compiling a repository of all of the
>>> (non-anonymous) accusations I could find.
>>> I'd appreciate if you could spend 5 minutes to read it, if you
>>> maintain your opinion then I respect it.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 17/06/16 19:18, jamileh s.t. wrote:
>>>
>>> Whilst it's clear Jacob pushed boundaries/assaulted several
>>> women does not also mean that government agencies have not also tried to
>>> further smear him. On that website with the anon accounts several sounded
>>> legit(Isis one) and several sounded hastily thrown together and the nick
>>> farr account is kind of silly. I can also imagine agents within tor
>>> spreading rumours which may be true but get people like nick fired up.
>>> Anyhow obviously also forces on Jacobs side will do what they can to control
>>> narrative and say they are exaggerated also.
>>>
>>> On 17 Jun 2016 6:11 p.m., "Bruno Gola" <brunogola@???
>>> <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com> <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com <mailto:
>>> brunogola@???>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Özer Tayiz <
>>> otayiz@??? <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And while I don't know about the particulars of the
>>> accusation or incident, as soon as I hear "a prominent hacker is accused of
>>> sexual misconduct" I immediately assume false allegation. Nowadays
>>> disagreeing a feminist online is considered a crime. The simplest "throw
>>> mud at someone" tactic these days.
>>>
>>> sorry, but you are wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Özer Tayiz <
>>> otayiz@??? <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why don't you fuck off yourself?
>>>
>>> Here is a perfectly safe space for you:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://static8.depositphotos.com/1343665/820/i/950/depositphotos_8205615-Mental-hospital-padded-room-from.jpg
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Caleb James
>>> DeLisle <cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr
>>> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> fuck off
>>>
>>> On 17/06/16 19:00, Özer Tayiz wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you trying to concern troll hacker
>>> community?
>>>
>>> What do you suggest? "see something, say
>>> something" policies to rat out each other to authorities?
>>>
>>> *lol* go sell your crazy somewhere else.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ctpr5znM4
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Cristina
>>> [efecto99] <efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net> <mailto:
>>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>> <mailto:
>>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net> <mailto:
>>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 16/06/16 21:00, Tim Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think one bad apple (no
>>> pun intended) should spoil the entire bunch. The hacker/journalist/leak
>>> community will still be a open, progessive, tolerant community even with a
>>> few nasty people in it.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. "ONE" apple?
>>>
>>> 2. +: accomplices & abettors are
>>> responsible for that, too
>>>
>>> 3. "The hacker/journalist/leak
>>> community will still be a open, progressive, tolerant community":
>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>> Tell me another joke.
>>>
>>> You both, as a lot of people from "our
>>> community", still need to wake up.
>>>
>>> I suspected that this email fron Caleb
>>> would collect these kind of answers, but i didn't think they would be so
>>> naive.
>>>
>>> Cristina (99)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Caleb
>>> James DeLisle <<mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr> <mailto:
>>> cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>>cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>
>>> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr
>>> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> At the beginning of June 2016,
>>> news broke that a prominent member of the Hacker/Journalist/Leak
>>> Community had become the
>>> target of multiple serious allegations of sexual misconduct. I was aware
>>> of certain aspects of this
>>> person and after reading the accounts, certain things *clicked* for me
>>> which I had not seen or could
>>> not perceive before. If this person had acted alone, lead a
>>> double-life and secretly done
>>> terrible things, I might never have cared to collect this information.
>>> The most painful realization
>>> was that these things could never have been done alone, at every step
>>> of the way the Community *had*
>>> to have protected him, covered up the stories and shushed the
>>> victims. This event lead me to
>>> the tragic realization that the Open, Tolerant and Progressive Hacker
>>> Community of which I believed
>>> myself a member - was no more than a figment of my imagination.
>>> It is fair to say that in my
>>> heart I believe the victims, but I have chosen to maintain this
>>> repository with the highest
>>> level of impartiality that I can, so I might sleep at night even if I am
>>> proven to be wrong.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate
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