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On 17 Jun 2016 7:47 p.m., "Özer Tayiz" <otayiz@???> wrote:

> I do believe sexism exists. Against men.
>
> http://www.realsexism.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
>>
>>> All I see is a blog post and a story. I don't speak german, so I am not
>>> sure links from this blog is court cases, or german rape laws.
>>>
>>
>> With all you are saying it sounds like you don't believe sexism exist. If
>> that's the case, we can't continue this conversation as there is no common
>> ground and our very basic views of society differ a lot, it would take huge
>> texts until we would reach a basic common argument. Those texts have been
>> written already, so I will not repeat it here.
>>
>>
>>
>>> If someone has any other real information (evidence, police or court
>>> reports etc) about a specific case I am willing to consider it.
>>>
>>> But I don't know either this Jack guy, or any of the accusers of him. I
>>> have no way of determining a story on a blog post if is true or false.
>>>
>>> "We need to take victim's stories seriously".
>>>
>>> Burden of proof lies with the accuser. No one can be judged only based
>>> on stories, or online blog posts, but evidence, due process, courts etc.
>>>
>>> With all these accusations, is there a court case, police report, rape
>>> kit submitted, a court finding Jake guilty of anything?
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I'll write a story of rape against anyone I don't like in any
>>> community, claim they raped me, find me a few others to join bandwagon of
>>> smear campaign and not just discredit or smear one individual, but the
>>> whole communities that include him.
>>>
>>> There were many accusations about Bill Cosby. Now he is suing (and
>>> winning) his false accusers.
>>>
>>> Up to now, I don't see anything of valid credible proof of any wrong
>>> doing. I'll still assume anyone accused to be innocent till proven guilty
>>> by a court of his peers. Based on evidence. Not just stories.
>>>
>>> He is accused, not convicted of anything.
>>>
>>> Remember Assange also has charges against him (imho utter bs
>>> accusations).
>>>
>>> I'll give him the benefit of doubt till he is proven guilty and
>>> convicted.
>>>
>>> To me it still looks like a smear campaign.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Bruno Gola <brunogola@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And while I don't know about the particulars of the accusation or
>>>>>> incident, as soon as I hear "a prominent hacker is accused of sexual
>>>>>> misconduct" I immediately assume false allegation. Nowadays disagreeing a
>>>>>> feminist online is considered a crime. The simplest "throw mud at someone"
>>>>>> tactic these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> sorry, but you are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recommend you read this
>>>> https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/the-forest-for-the-trees.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Özer Tayiz <otayiz@???>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you fuck off yourself?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a perfectly safe space for you:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://static8.depositphotos.com/1343665/820/i/950/depositphotos_8205615-Mental-hospital-padded-room-from.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fuck off
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17/06/16 19:00, Özer Tayiz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to concern troll hacker community?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you suggest? "see something, say something" policies to
>>>>>>>>> rat out each other to authorities?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *lol* go sell your crazy somewhere else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ctpr5znM4
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Cristina [efecto99] <
>>>>>>>>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 16/06/16 21:00, Tim Patrick wrote:

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     I don't think one bad apple (no pun intended) should spoil
>>>>>>>>>> the entire bunch. The hacker/journalist/leak community will still be a
>>>>>>>>>> open, progessive, tolerant community even with a few nasty people in it.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     1. "ONE" apple?

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     2. +: accomplices & abettors are responsible for that, too

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     3. "The hacker/journalist/leak community will still be a open,
>>>>>>>>> progressive, tolerant community": HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>>>>>     Tell me another joke.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     You both, as a lot of people from "our community", still need
>>>>>>>>> to wake up.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     I suspected that this email fron Caleb would collect these
>>>>>>>>> kind of answers, but i didn't think they would be so naive.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Cristina (99)

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Caleb James DeLisle <<mailto:
>>>>>>>>>> cjd@???>cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         At the beginning of June 2016, news broke that a
>>>>>>>>>> prominent member of the Hacker/Journalist/Leak
>>>>>>>>>>         Community had become the target of multiple serious
>>>>>>>>>> allegations of sexual misconduct. I was aware
>>>>>>>>>>         of certain aspects of this person and after reading the
>>>>>>>>>> accounts, certain things *clicked* for me
>>>>>>>>>>         which I had not seen or could not perceive before. If
>>>>>>>>>> this person had acted alone, lead a
>>>>>>>>>>         double-life and secretly done terrible things, I might
>>>>>>>>>> never have cared to collect this information.
>>>>>>>>>>         The most painful realization was that these things could
>>>>>>>>>> never have been done alone, at every step
>>>>>>>>>>         of the way the Community *had* to have protected him,
>>>>>>>>>> covered up the stories and shushed the
>>>>>>>>>>         victims. This event lead me to the tragic realization
>>>>>>>>>> that the Open, Tolerant and Progressive Hacker
>>>>>>>>>>         Community of which I believed myself a member - was no
>>>>>>>>>> more than a figment of my imagination.
>>>>>>>>>>         It is fair to say that in my heart I believe the victims,
>>>>>>>>>> but I have chosen to maintain this
>>>>>>>>>>         repository with the highest level of impartiality that I
>>>>>>>>>> can, so I might sleep at night even if I am
>>>>>>>>>>         proven to be wrong.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate
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>>>>>>>>>     Esta comunicación puede ser ilegalmente recogida y almacenada
>>>>>>>>> por la Agencia Nacional de Seguridad de los EEUU (NSA) + otras, en secreto
>>>>>>>>> y no. bla bla bla: si a esta altura no sabes, lee
>>>>>>>>> https://wikileaks.org/

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>>>>> http://bgo.la/
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