She had the art of express it better than I.
For those who wanted "details" about Appelbaum case and
"Most of the outlets are having a hard time wrapping their heads around
how this could go on so long within arenas whose missions are to fight
against injustice and power imbalances, and to champion whistleblowers.
One might think these organizations were hypocrites, or worse. Some of
the articles lean toward framing hacking and tech, our communities,
businesses, and conferences, as places where sexual abuse and harassment
is rampant and abusers are institutionally protected.
*To understand why they’re not entirely wrong, *why this was allowed to
continue for so long, and how we make sure this ends here, we need to
examine some difficult things."
Long reading -->
https://medium.com/@violetblue/but-he-does-good-work-6710df9d9029#.esjaepyzp
Cristina (99)
On 17/06/16 01:59, Cristina [efecto99] wrote:
> On 17/06/16 00:25, Julia Tourianski wrote:
>> u write as though you know much more about these things. elaborate?
>> is the community that bad?
>>
>> can we also keep in mind that although there are numerous
>> allegations, that's all they are.
>> I know of two people, both of which were his lovers, who maintain
>> these are false allegations.
>
> Julia:
> I need to apologize to you because it will takes me a lot of time to
> answer properly to your email: basically because of the language
> barrier. To compose in English takes me a LOT of time, stress me and
> on this specific topic where thoughts fluid very fast it is very hard
> for me to make that effort.
> I saw than google doesn't translate very well from Spanish to
> English...but to write in SP is the only way I could answer on detail
> in a reasonable time to your email.
>
> This is only a clumsy draft:
>
> Yes, i know things and i took the time to read the testimonies of well
> known victims, not only the anonymous, plus i had -a couple of years
> ago- from 1st hand a testimony of ethical misconduct on collaborative
> work about Jacob A.
> But *this is deeper* than the "jake" scandal, that is why i putted
> <"ONE apple?"> and <"The hacker/journalist/leak community will still
> be a open, progressive, tolerant community": HAHA Tell me another joke>
>
> I myself experimented several -and on different levels- violent
> behaviors from men on this circle plus the "I don'twant/ I prefer not
> to hear about these things" from men and (less) women on the
> "hacker/journalist/leak" and activist community.
> And i had heard myself the testimony of victims of violence (some
> really severe) and discrimination, from men in this community, some of
> them I know, and are "fiery feminists" outside their homes, and inside
> are sadist and mad people, who threat others members of the community
> than discovered their real face, to silence them.
>
> I'm sorry to say all they are coward as accomplices and abettors. They
> allow these kind of people to continue hurting others, as the same
> time they excuse them to reflect on their illness phiquism. As some of
> whom now are opening their mouth when they plead they saw Jake doing
> what the victims denounced (as
> https://twitter.com/garrettr_/status/743306833440342021 I question
> myself: WHY most of them wait until NOW?).
> (some) Women -instead of men- are still who demonstrate to have the
> brave enough to stop these manipulators, some men follow us. Generally
> slowly, warmly, behind us.
> I have to recognize i was privileged: I could count on Hellekin as a
> huge *HUGE* support and victim himself for that reason, of my
> predator: because that person tried during months to convince him to
> shut up... I know very well the mechanism of abuse of these kind of
> people.
>
> Then I'm not so surprised about Jake case, beyond i had the
> opportunity to shortly met him personally at teh last Camp and i
> didn't have a bad impression: that doesn't mean anything, as i could
> learn from my own case.
>
> I experimented in my own that kind of threats to keep my mouth closed.
> As a confident of others' cases I did it after talking with some
> people around of this circles and find i had no support, most of them
> (not all, fortunately) were afraid of being targeted as doing "drama"
> and the same victims didn't want to became public: because of ALL that
> the Jake's victims said... retaliation, etc.
>
> But once I suffered violence on my own person from a known IT person
> on the security scene, i said it, and -except from some noble
> individuals- the answer from "strong and open mind members of our
> progressive community" was a blockade.
>
> As someone said: if you say you never saw these kind of things around
> you, you have a problem. And that is not about Jake as i pointed out,
> is about ALL of us.
>
>
> Cristina (99)
>
>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Cristina [efecto99]
>> <efecto99@???> wrote:
>>
>> On 16/06/16 21:00, Tim Patrick wrote:
>>> I don't think one bad apple (no pun intended) should spoil the
>>> entire bunch. The hacker/journalist/leak community will still be
>>> a open, progessive, tolerant community even with a few nasty
>>> people in it.
>>
>> 1. "ONE" apple?
>>
>> 2. +: accomplices & abettors are responsible for that, too
>>
>> 3. "The hacker/journalist/leak community will still be a open,
>> progressive, tolerant community": HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>> Tell me another joke.
>>
>> You both, as a lot of people from "our community", still need to
>> wake up.
>>
>> I suspected that this email fron Caleb would collect these kind
>> of answers, but i didn't think they would be so naive.
>>
>> Cristina (99)
>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> At the beginning of June 2016, news broke that a prominent
>>> member of the Hacker/Journalist/Leak
>>> Community had become the target of multiple serious
>>> allegations of sexual misconduct. I was aware
>>> of certain aspects of this person and after reading the
>>> accounts, certain things *clicked* for me
>>> which I had not seen or could not perceive before. If this
>>> person had acted alone, lead a
>>> double-life and secretly done terrible things, I might never
>>> have cared to collect this information.
>>> The most painful realization was that these things could
>>> never have been done alone, at every step
>>> of the way the Community *had* to have protected him,
>>> covered up the stories and shushed the
>>> victims. This event lead me to the tragic realization that
>>> the Open, Tolerant and Progressive Hacker
>>> Community of which I believed myself a member - was no more
>>> than a figment of my imagination.
>>> It is fair to say that in my heart I believe the victims,
>>> but I have chosen to maintain this
>>> repository with the highest level of impartiality that I
>>> can, so I might sleep at night even if I am
>>> proven to be wrong.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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