On Tue, 31 May 2016 08:50:08 +0200
Jaromil <jaromil@???> wrote:

> dear Edward,
>
> On Tue, 31 May 2016, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>
> > I have just been informed Debian 8 (Jessie) can be installed without
> > systemd by using the command: preseed/late_command="in-target
> > apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
>
> interesting that this is still the default and hypocritical answer
> from Debian. IMHO it is rather irresponsible of them to give that
> answer to users. They should point to Devuan instead.
>
> Anyway, please keep in mind that Debian gives no warranty on the
> maintenance of sysvinit scripts, while several sysvinit related
> packages are unmaintained.
>
> If you still trust Debian's leadership to act in your interest after
> the GR vote, I recommend you try it and use it for a while, then be so
> kind to let us know how it goes.

I don't think Edward meant that Debian's OK just because it can
currently be installed sans-systemd, or that he trusts Debian. I think
it was just a comment on what he'd heard.

A quick search of my Debian-User archives indicates Edward wasn't on
that mailing list when the Debian project showed its true colors, so
he might not know just how snaky they are.

I like the three points you raise in your three paragraphs:

1) Debian should just point to Devuan for those wanting sans-systemd

2) Debian is a poor basket in which to keep one's sans-systemd assets

3) The Debian project has real problems, morally and intellectually.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt
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