On 2016年5月29日 8:43:56 JST, Simon Walter <simon@???> wrote:
>On 05/28/2016 09:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> This means the leading sentence would be more appropriately worded as
>
>> "In my opinion, it's actually quite strange that UNIX(*) enables
>users
>> of the system to run background jobs".
>
>Well put!
>
>
>On 05/29/2016 02:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> I see poettering's point, but it's just not a problem for me. I don't
>> use a desktop environment that, without my permission or knowledge,
>> starts tens of processes in my behalf. For the most part, when a
>> process is started in my behalf, I personally started it from a
>command
>> prompt, Dmenu or UMENU. So I can choose whether or not to close it
>> before logging out.
>
>I think this is Lennart's biggest failing. He is trying to make a
>traditionally server OS into an entertainment system. Face it, most
>people these days use their devices for entertainment - not work. So
>it's not even fair to say that systemd is useful for workstations.
>
>> Every bit of this was predictable from the moment we learned about
>> systemd's architecture. Gratuitous component intercommunication leads
>to
>> ever worsening problems. A system with gratuitous component
>> intercommunication is so complex that it's difficult to predict
>exactly
>> what those problems will be, but it's a certainty those problems will
>> occur.
>>
>
>It's also scope creep, which is diametrically opposed to "one tool for
>one job". Some of the comments on that list were interesting: "...who
>in
>turn will finally get annoyed at systemd." It's like they understand
>the
>problems associated with systemd but are committed to it. So now they
>have to protect their decision - making their relationship with systemd
>
>more emotional than logical.
>
>I am not afraid of change, yet, experience has shown that consensus is
>wonderful. Lennart doesn't seem to understand that. I am so glad that
>there are people with, shall we call them, traditional (unix) values
>still on this planet.
＋10000 for this last sentence
Big big thanks to devuan