Le 24/04/2016 08:48, Steve Litt a écrit :
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900
> Simon Walter <simon@???> wrote:
>
>> On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
>>> On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ <katolaz@???> wrote:
>>>> In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are
>>>> window
>>>>> managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I
>>>>> think we can all agree that Unity, KDE and Gnome are desktop
>>>>> environments, and dwm and i3 are window managers, but what's
>>>>> Xfce? What's LXDE? What's Openbox?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think of de/wm as a spectrum, not a 1/0.
>>> I agree with you, there is not a borderline.
>> It doesn't matter how much you agree on an opinion. That will not
>> make it fact. There is a technical difference between the two. Just
>> look up the definition of "window manager" and "desktop environment"
>> on any techsite/dictionary/encyclopedia. Unless you are trying to
>> sound ignorant, it would make sense to use the correct terminology.
> I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm right.
> All the X environments I've ever seen have window managers to manipulate
> and add decorations to windows. Most X environments I've seen have
> programs added on to the basic window manager to work with it,
> configure it, and add features to it. So the question is: How much
> software is added to the software that manages and decorates windows?
> And that answer varies across a spectrum, according to the
> wm/de/whatever you're discussing.
>
> By the way, anyone wanting to take "sounding ignorant" to the next
> level should argue that LXDE is as much of a Desktop Environment as
> Gnome, or that LXDE as much of a Window Manager as dwm.
>
> One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless
> distinction that never should have been made.
>
> Oh, and I claim authorship of the thing that Aitor agreed with: It was
> me who said that, not KatolaZ.
>
> SteveT
>
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Sorry Steve but there is a technical difference. Wikipedia:
*Metacity* /məˈtæsɪti/
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>^[1]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacity#cite_note-1> was the window
manager <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager> used by default
in the GNOME <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME> 2 desktop environment
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment>^[2]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacity#cite_note-2> until GNOME 3,
where it was replaced by Mutter
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutter_%28window_manager%29>.
Talking of ignorance is excessive; but let's try to disentangle things.
Didier
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