On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 02:48:24AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900
> Simon Walter <simon@???> wrote:
>
> > On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
> > >
> > > On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ <katolaz@???> wrote:
> > >> In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are
> > >> window
> > >> >managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I
> > >> >think we can all agree that Unity, KDE and Gnome are desktop
> > >> >environments, and dwm and i3 are window managers, but what's
> > >> >Xfce? What's LXDE? What's Openbox?
> > >> >
> > >> >I think of de/wm as a spectrum, not a 1/0.
> > >
> > > I agree with you, there is not a borderline.
> >
> > It doesn't matter how much you agree on an opinion. That will not
> > make it fact. There is a technical difference between the two. Just
> > look up the definition of "window manager" and "desktop environment"
> > on any techsite/dictionary/encyclopedia. Unless you are trying to
> > sound ignorant, it would make sense to use the correct terminology.
>
> I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm right.
> All the X environments I've ever seen have window managers to manipulate
> and add decorations to windows. Most X environments I've seen have
> programs added on to the basic window manager to work with it,
> configure it, and add features to it. So the question is: How much
> software is added to the software that manages and decorates windows?
> And that answer varies across a spectrum, according to the
> wm/de/whatever you're discussing.
>
> By the way, anyone wanting to take "sounding ignorant" to the next
> level should argue that LXDE is as much of a Desktop Environment as
> Gnome, or that LXDE as much of a Window Manager as dwm.
>
> One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless
> distinction that never should have been made.

The point at which I consider that it's no longer a window manager is
when it starts to interfere with the conventions X set up. For
example, when X's cut and paste stops working and you never know which
cut-and-paste mechanism to use when copying from one window to another.

-- hendrik