​the london debout - i have been watching the livestream - it is the same
people "facilitating" the same unscalable consensus model. it is a repeat
of the occupy (without all the goodwill from the people who hadnt tried
that way last time and were willing to give it a go) -thus the same old
discussions, skewing towards the enviromental, with certain topics
off-limits - - IE they talk of tax dodgers and panama papers - the uk there
is a very serious paedophile problem, IE all the major party machines have
covered up or encouraged (with help of security apparatus, police and
spooks) for paedophiles. Greville Janner, and Cyril Smith, William Hague
and Ted heath.
this is something that could get a mass of people onto the streets (though
i fear these leaders (oh sorry facilitators) wouldnt like that because
those angry people wouldnt wait there turn in the "progressive stack"
i dont know about france but london smacks of just a circle jerk at best
,and an intelligence gathering excerise at worst.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Whatevs <genjix@???> wrote:

> Yeah I most definitely think there is not a plan or unified effort. Just
> a bunch of pacifist platitudes without any real analysis of power, or
> how to take down the state. Your answer is a classic example, listing
> synergy, rhythmics and energy... but where is this action leading?
>
> You have a disaffected youth, and misdirect their energy into controlled
> protests that inevitably fail and lead to nothing. How is that helping
> towards anything?
>
> I don't see any plan. Just random "actions" with feel good rationale.
>
> psy:
> >
> > Whatevs:
> >> 10,000 people or 1 million people what do you hope to achieve?
> >
> > You mean in Paris or all around the world?.
> >
> > If is in Paris, 1 million much better than 10,000... but I don't know if
> > there are enough squatted buildings for all of them... ;-)
> >
> > Btw, I really like numbers 'irony'... Just simplify all argument on
> > terms on quantity, forgiving quality.
> >
> > Is a typical resource used by people who ignore reality such as police,
> > politics, pessimists, etc.. when they talk about demonstrations.
> >
> > You think that quantity is a question to achieve?.
> >
> > Maybe yes to show that we are united all around the world... Maybe not
> > if we talk about quality. Whatever, that is not relevance...
> >
> > Look, I come from #15M experience and actually I am trying to support
> > 'NuitDebout' (now, #GlobalDebout) with my knowledge and contacts and
> > what I can see is that there are many operation differences like
> > rhythmics, networks used, police strategies, etc.. between activists
> > from France and from other countries.
> >
> > But also, I see many new things.
> >
> > On France more people is living directly from state than in Spain which
> > is a handicap to mobilize them. But curiously they are moving their
> ass...
> >
> > I think that a "key" to understand why is because they are not
> > protesting because of personal needs (social alarm).
> >
> > They have another 'root' causes that they are trying to solve using
> > enthusiasm which is good and bad.
> >
> > Good because is an 'energy' really powerful for feels and revolutions
> > and bad because by the moment only "middle-classes" (students,
> > syndicates, working-classes, etc..) are protesting at streets.
> >
> > On the other hand, you know that people is giving electricity to
> > 'media-center' by using bikes?.
> >
> > I think that France activists/artivists/.. have a lot of experiences to
> > show us...
> >
> > Finally, I remember my first time on Indymedia a lot of years ago
> > discovering from my room on the Basque Country that global protest is
> > possible.
> >
> > Now with #NuitDebout + #Occupy + #15M + XXX + Internet, I am realizing
> > that this is a reality.
> >
> > I think is just a question of crossing synergies and build a virtual
> > network directly linked with physical world so we just need to create a
> > strong social network to manage resources, again. That's it...
> >
> >> What will waving placards do without serious organization and a plan?
> >
> > You think that there is not a plan mr. Genjix?.
> >
> > Please, just follow the 'white rabbit' ... ;-)
> >
>
>
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