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Autor: Whatevs
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Yeah I most definitely think there is not a plan or unified effort. Just
a bunch of pacifist platitudes without any real analysis of power, or
how to take down the state. Your answer is a classic example, listing
synergy, rhythmics and energy... but where is this action leading?

You have a disaffected youth, and misdirect their energy into controlled
protests that inevitably fail and lead to nothing. How is that helping
towards anything?

I don't see any plan. Just random "actions" with feel good rationale.

psy:
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> Whatevs:
>> 10,000 people or 1 million people what do you hope to achieve?
>
> You mean in Paris or all around the world?.
>
> If is in Paris, 1 million much better than 10,000... but I don't know if
> there are enough squatted buildings for all of them... ;-)
>
> Btw, I really like numbers 'irony'... Just simplify all argument on
> terms on quantity, forgiving quality.
>
> Is a typical resource used by people who ignore reality such as police,
> politics, pessimists, etc.. when they talk about demonstrations.
>
> You think that quantity is a question to achieve?.
>
> Maybe yes to show that we are united all around the world... Maybe not
> if we talk about quality. Whatever, that is not relevance...
>
> Look, I come from #15M experience and actually I am trying to support
> 'NuitDebout' (now, #GlobalDebout) with my knowledge and contacts and
> what I can see is that there are many operation differences like
> rhythmics, networks used, police strategies, etc.. between activists
> from France and from other countries.
>
> But also, I see many new things.
>
> On France more people is living directly from state than in Spain which
> is a handicap to mobilize them. But curiously they are moving their ass...
>
> I think that a "key" to understand why is because they are not
> protesting because of personal needs (social alarm).
>
> They have another 'root' causes that they are trying to solve using
> enthusiasm which is good and bad.
>
> Good because is an 'energy' really powerful for feels and revolutions
> and bad because by the moment only "middle-classes" (students,
> syndicates, working-classes, etc..) are protesting at streets.
>
> On the other hand, you know that people is giving electricity to
> 'media-center' by using bikes?.
>
> I think that France activists/artivists/.. have a lot of experiences to
> show us...
>
> Finally, I remember my first time on Indymedia a lot of years ago
> discovering from my room on the Basque Country that global protest is
> possible.
>
> Now with #NuitDebout + #Occupy + #15M + XXX + Internet, I am realizing
> that this is a reality.
>
> I think is just a question of crossing synergies and build a virtual
> network directly linked with physical world so we just need to create a
> strong social network to manage resources, again. That's it...
>
>> What will waving placards do without serious organization and a plan?
>
> You think that there is not a plan mr. Genjix?.
>
> Please, just follow the 'white rabbit' ... ;-)
>