That's about right, mate is nearly free of systemd barring the libsystemd0 dendency in some cases if you really like that sort of setup it could be an option.

Cheers,

chillfan

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:10 PM, Steve Litt <slitt@???> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:04:44 +1100
> Sylvain BERTRAND <sylvain.bertrand@???> wrote:
>
>
>> Then from a desktop perspective, what should I expect to work? I'm
>> targetting usage level similar to gnome regarding network
>> configuration, mounting of removal medias and digital camera, etc
>> etc...
>
> Hi Sylvain,
>
> It's true. Gnome was good at networking, media mounting and removal,
> digital cameras, etc. My personal opinion: You'll never reach that
> state of "automatic" again, and that's not a bad thing.
>
> Let me explain...
>
> From 2000 through 2013 I consistently used "We do it all for you"
> distros: Mandrake, Mandriva, and then Ubuntu (later Xubuntu and
> Lubuntu). Most of the time, when I plugged in a thumb drive, BANG, its
> mounted-self appeared on the desktop (or whatever). Plug in a camera,
> and some program pops up with all the photos, ready to crop, enhance,
> whatever. Networking, it just works, and if you go to a place you've
> never been before, you click the little icon on the panel (taskbar),
> choose your ESSID, enter the password, and you're connected.
>
> Most of the time.
>
> But man, when these distros didn't fulfill their function, they left
> you in a whole lot of pain. NetworkManager fails: Now what do you do,
> with NetworkManager having usurped all the Linux networking you ever
> knew and replacing it with opaque layers. You change
> your /etc/resolv.conf to resolve at 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, and whoomp,
> Network Manager replaces it some time later. That wonderful, beautiful,
> just-how-you-want-it Kmail frequently throws off dbus-daemon instances
> consuming 98% of CPU, to the point where I had to run a daemon to
> detect and kill these. That auto camera program: Turns out I wanted to
> edit my pics in Gimp, not in its half-assed editor.
>
> We-do-it-all-for-you software is tempting, enticing, embracing. Your
> software handles all the tech, and you just do your work. But implicit
> in this is that you do your work the way your software demands. You
> become very slick at the points, clicks, drags and keystrokes of your
> software, but you're doing it the software's way, and over time you've
> been so seduced by your software that your roll-your-own chops are
> rusty and many times you just don't bother making the interface *you*
> want.
>
> And we-do-it-all-for-you software makes rolling your own much more
> difficult, because it epoxys layer after layer of its impenetrable
> abstractions over what you know as Linux, to the point that stuff that
> would have been simple in 1998 Red Hat 5.2 becomes a tracking
> expedition to sniff out the path taken by the abstractions to
> manipulate the underlying Linux (or do an end run around it).
>
> The post I've written so far is a long way of saying that
> we-do-it-all-for-you and roll-your-own are a tradeoff. Gnome is almost
> completely we-do-it-all-for-you. Linux From Scratch is almost entirely
> roll-your-own. Most power users (non-newbies who use the computer for
> more than surfing porn and interacting with Facebook) want to be
> somewhere inside the extremes. And since Gnome demands systemd and we
> won't have systemd on our systems, this means saying goodbye to
> complete and utter we-do-it-all-for-you, which is a good thing.
>
> Finally, I submit my opinion that if a person really wants
> we-do-it-all-for-you, he should forget about Gnome, forget about Linux,
> and buy a Mac. Mac does we-do-it-all-for-you right.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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