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Auteur: Edward Bartolo
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Aan: Rainer Weikusat
CC: dng
Onderwerp: Re: [DNG] Linux 4.4 and KMS
Hi,

Eh, root is dangerous... Users should never ever use root: there are
other safer alternatives to that, like many modern Operating Systems
,like for example, Windows, Android, OSX. They all think for
themselves, updating themselves automatically without users having to
know and understand what is happening. This is the way forward, it is
the only sane way of using a computer. Those who cannot grasp this
basic fact, are deluded to think they are still operating a computer
from the seventies with green text on a black background.
[/sarcasm]

Edward

On 13/01/2016, Rainer Weikusat <rainerweikusat@???> wrote:
> Didier Kryn <kryn@???> writes:
>> Le 13/01/2016 18:44, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
>>> Didier Kryn <kryn@???> writes:
>>>>      Just received "Linux Update". One of the articles is about the
>>>> release of kernel version 4.4.

>>>>
>>>>      Included in the new kernel is "A new kernel mode-setting (KMS)
>>>> driver from Broadcom".

>>>>
>>>>      I gave a look at Wikipedia about Kernel-based mode-setting. The
>>>> article in the French Wikipedia states that, amongst other advantages,
>>>> KMS permits  to *run the X server without root priviledge*.
>>> Kernel mode-setting has existed for a while and it's mainly supposed to
>>> enable people to "do graphics" without having to resort to writing
>>> another X driver, thereby making it yet more difficult to sell wayland.
>>> _______________________________________________

>>>
>>
>>     Sure it's not new, but for Broadcom. But why the hell do we still
>> have the only alternative of either run the X server with root
>> priviledge or to run it under Systemd?

>
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Non_root_Xorg
> http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2010-June/010511.html
>
> 'Kernel mode-setting' really just adds interfaces to the kernel which
> enables userspace software to request that some 'graphics card' is
> programmed/ configured in order to do XXX, as opposed to 'the userspace
> software' (aka 'the X server') accessing the hardware directly in order
> to do this.
>
> As far as I can tell, systemd only comes into play here in order to
> change 'device node access permissions' automatically and (indirectly)
> relies on KMS itself.
>
> BTW: Considering that X has worked 'as root' for over 20 years and the
> sky didn't fall, why's that suddenly a serious problem? Especially
> nowadays, where 'devices running an X server and used by "untrusted
> users"' are virtually extinct?
>
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