Teodoro Santoni:
> 2016-01-06 10:09 GMT+01:00, karl@??? <karl@???>:
> > More like, how can I avoid things that people with good intentions push
> > on me so I have to waste my time and work to work around it...
>
> Yeah.

Great, welcome to the club :)

> > Avoids cups, don't give me anything than making the actual processing
> > hidden and obscure.
>
> PAM is a problem,

The only thing I've done with pam is
# cd /etc/pam.d
# diff login~ login
87c87
< session    optional   pam_motd.so  motd=/run/motd.dynamic
nnn---

> #session    optional   pam_motd.so  motd=/run/motd.dynamic

Removing pam would probably not affect me at all.
I guess pam was an attempt to centralize auth things, before pam it was
ever daemon to its own. Useing pam doesn't hinder some daemon to ignore
it, depending how it is written. So you have to check booth pam and
daemon settings, it seems.

> the cups behaviour is another.
> My problem is to run things as, for example, my cheap
> hp printer without systemd.
> Next may come hplip through lprng or lpr.

Isn't printing about converting your ps/pdf file to some obscure format
and dump it to port 9000 on printer, how hard could that be ?
Or even better just send your postscript to the printer.

> I talk about my printer but dunno, may run wayland someday, or
> have my family scavenge for money spending on e-commerce
> through google-chrome.
> I personally don't use any of those, but without pam, a life
> without systemd seem much easier.
> Maybe I'm wrong.
...

I wouldn't complain if pam goes, I currently don't care.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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