On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 09:30:04AM -0500, Patrice Remy wrote:
> After the reboot (half way through the instructions), those with a
> Wifi network card won't be able to continue (install xfce4, and so
> on...) because they won't be in x-windows anymore, and the
> network-manager app needs x-windows to work, ergo, no internet
> connection :(

Which netowrk manager? The new one written for us, or the old one?

If the new one, maybe it's time for curses front end as well as a GTK one?

-- hendrik

>
> On 2015-11-03 20:51, dev1fanboy wrote:
> > Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism.
> >
> > There are a lot of people talking about minimalism in Devuan and some
> > may be wondering if they can upgrade to Devuan. The answer is yes, you
> > can upgrade to Devuan right now and expect it to work with few if any
> > problems in the stable branch - which is not yet announced stable but
> > is clearly a lot better than alpha quality as you might have heard
> > mentioned on devuan.org. I am currently putting in a little research
> > before writing a more full guide to upgrading, installing and getting
> > more minimalism out of Devuan. Hopefully I will be starting a wiki for
> > all this info and more to go into in the near future, but for now I
> > want to just put it out there for people trying to upgrade their
> > current system or get more minimalism in their system.
> >
> > Let's get started.
> >
> >
> > 1) Upgrading Debian to Devuan Stable (aka Jessie 1.0)
> >
> > You can upgrade to Devuan Jessie 1.0 from either Debian Wheezy or from
> > Debian Jessie. For other branches you are on your own for now, and I
> > suggest avoiding upgrades to Devuan testing (ascii) for now until after
> > the official stable release.
> >
> > First simply open a terminal and type:
> >
> > user@debian:~$ sudo -s
> >
> > Enter your user password.
> >
> > Or if sudo is not available:
> >
> > user@debian:~$ su
> >
> > Enter your root password.
> >
> > Now we can continue with the upgrade. You need to edit the sources.list
> > configuration file so that apt will be getting packages only from the
> > devuan mirror (there is just one for now):
> >
> > root@debian:~# nano /etc/apt/sources.list
> >
> > Comment out ALL current lines in your sources.list and add the Devuan
> > mirror with the Jessie (stable) branch. This is roughly how it should
> > look:
> >
> > #deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main
> > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main
> >
> > Now we need to get the devuan keyring from the repoistory so we can
> > authenticate packages:
> >
> > root@debian:~# apt-get update
> > root@debian:~# apt-get install devuan-keyring
> >
> > Many people coming over to Devuan will be hoping to escape the web of
> > systemd in the process - if this is your choice you need to specify
> > your init system now before you proceed. I will be using sysvinit in
> > this example as it is what I have tested - systemd init will be removed
> > if present:
> >
> > root@debian:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core
> >
> > The base-files package will be installed automatically in the case of
> > an upgrade from Debian Wheezy, but it has been reported that this
> > package will need to be selected manually when upgrading from Jessie.
> > Either way we can do this now:
> >
> > root@debian:~# apt-get install base-files
> >
> > Start the system upgrade with:
> >
> > root@debian:~# apt-get dist-upgrade
> >
> > Depending on your connection speed it could take a while, grab yourself
> > a drink.
> >
> > Once finished you will be using Devuan GNU/Linux 1.
> >
> > Do some optional cleaning up:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get autoremove --purge
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get autoclean
> >
> > The first command will remove any 'orphaned' dependencies from your
> > previous install including unwanted configurations for those packages.
> > I highly recommend this because it's good security practice. The second
> > command clears up all cached packages except for those that are
> > installed on the running system, reclaiming a little disk space.
> >
> > Now you should simply reboot so that you are using the kernel shipped
> > with Devuan:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# reboot
> >
> > If in the upgrade process gnome was removed do not panic, the reason
> > for this is it depends on systemd and you have opted for sysvinit. The
> > default desktop environment in Devuan is XFCE:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get install xfce4
> >
> > Check that you can start your desktop environment:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# su - username
> > user@devuan:~$ startxfce4
> >
> > If it all works you can add a display manager safely for when you next
> > reboot:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get install slim
> >
> >
> > 2) Configure minimalism in the system
> >
> > Thanks to a tip given to me by a fellow minimalist from #debianfork
> > (unnamed for now until I talk to them) you will be able to debloat your
> > system in a very neat way. This is completely optional and may be done
> > either before or after the upgrade. We are going to configure apt to
> > ignore all 'recommended' packages in Debian/Devuan as the majority of
> > these often will not make sense to be there. There are some exceptions
> > where recommends should definitely be installed and we will take care
> > of this as well.
> >
> > First use an editor to make the necessary changes:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# nano /etc/apt.conf.d/01lean
> >
> > Add the following lines:
> >
> > APT::Install-Suggests "0";
> > APT::Install-Recommends "0";
> > APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false";
> > APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "false";
> >
> > Press the Ctrl and X keys together to save and quit.
> >
> > Now we are going to retroactively remove all recommended packages,
> > along with any suggests you may have pulled in. Adjust the above
> > accordingly to your needs if you still want either suggests or
> > recommends. Before proceeding we will protect the ca-certificates
> > package from getting removed along with isc-dhcp-common if it is
> > installed. The ca-certificates package contains ssl certificates from
> > certificate authorities and naturally you will want this for any system
> > where you will be using a browser (if you don't know then you need it).
> > The isc-dhcp-common package takes care of automatic network
> > configuration via dhcp on boot (see man 5 interfaces), if you don't
> > know what this means then you need this package too.
> >
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get install ca-certificates isc-dhcp-common
> >
> > This will manually select these packages and they will now not be
> > removed. If you are asked to configure the ca-certificates package by a
> > dialog screen you should answer to always trust new certificates
> > authorities to avoid having to manually select them.
> >
> > Now all that needs to be done is remove the packages we have opted out
> > of:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get autoremove --purge
> >
> > The now 'orphaned' recommends and suggests will be retroactively
> > removed, cutting away some fat. Unused configuration files for those
> > packages will also be removed. Check the list of packages to be removed
> > before proceeding and make notes of packages you are sure you want to
> > keep so you can install them later (man apt-get for details).
> >
> > Some optional cleaning up:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get autoclean
> >
> > Unwanted archives will be removed from the package cache, if any.
> >
> >
> > 3)​ What about removing dbus?
> >
> > Sadly XFCE depends on dbus and so do many other packages, there will be
> > several solutions to removing dbus but you may have to compromise a
> > bit.
> >
> > A quick list of window managers that do not depend on dbus with
> > suggestions from a couple of #debianfork regs:
> >
> > fluxbox
> > blackbox
> > openbox
> > fvwm
> > fvwm-crystal
> > icewm
> >
> > For a graphical browser I suggest iceweasel, you might also like:
> > ​
> > epiphany
> > links2
> > dillo
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get install fluxbox bbkeys menu iceweasel
> > root@devuan:~# apt-get purge dbus
> >
> > Check the list of packages to be purged carefully before proceeding to
> > ensure you really want to do this.
> >
> > Login to your user account, set your WM in the xinit file and start the
> > X server:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# su - user
> > user@devuan:~$ echo "exec fluxbox" > .xinitrc
> > user@devuan:~$ startx
> >
> > You can now login by the console each time at boot and type startx.
> > Information on display managers will come later, for now you should do
> > some research if you need this.
> >
> > In the process of removing dbus you might have noticed the gvfs package
> > being removed which is used for USB automounting, this is expected as
> > it depends on dbus. A simple alternative to USB auto-mounting is to put
> > your user in the disk group and set the possible mount points in fstab.
> > You will then be able to mount your USB disks with ease. Further
> > information may appear here after a little research on the topic of
> > auto-mounting and graphical file managers.
> >
> > root@devuan:~# adduser yourusername disk
> > root@devuan:~# cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup
> > root@devuan:~# nano /etc/fstab
> >
> > At the bottom of the fstab simply add the following:
> >

> > /dev/sdb1        /media/usb0    auto    user,noauto    0 0
> > /dev/sdc1        /media/usb1    auto    user,noauto    0 0

> >
> > An important thing here is that 'user' mode is set as it allows your
> > user to mount the disk where usually only root can do that. The
> > 'noauto' option specifies the filesystem will not be mounted at boot.
> > See man 5 fstab and man mount for more details.
> >
> > This is based on a single hard disk system. Your mount points may be
> > different, if so you will need to adapt this if /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdc1
> > are already in use in the fstab. If everything is correct hit Ctrl and
> > X together to save and exit.
> >
> > Now create the mountpoints:
> >
> > root@devuan:~# mkdir /media/usb0
> > root@devuan:~# mkdir /media/usb1
> >
> > You should now plug in your usb drive(s) and test that it works:
> >
> > user@devuan:~$ mount /media/usb0
> > user@devuan:~$ mount /media/usb1
> >
> > When done unmount:
> >
> > user@devuan:~$ umount /media/usb0
> > user@devuan:~$ umount /media/usb1
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > There you have it, a retro style Devuan install that wouldn't be out of
> > place before systemd, dbus and other madness became the trend for
> > GNU/Linux.
> >
> > As you might have noticed It's a very smooth upgrade to Devuan in the
> > here and now, not much different if you simply upgraded your Debian
> > system. With a little more work you can get a reasonably minimal system
> > as well and remove dbus if you want to.
> >
> >
> > Enjoy Devuan!
> >
> > ~~
> >
> > dev1fanboy
> >
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