Am Montag, 21. Dezember 2015 schrieb John Hughes:
> On 21/12/15 11:52, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On 21/12/15 10:03, John Hughes wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> What I'm looking for is choice -- I want people who want systemd to
> >> be able to run it, and people who dont want it to be able to use
> >> sysvinit, openrc or upstart or whatever. At the moment things are
> >> all fucked up because there is no long term alternative to the seat
> >> management part of systemd and few people seem prepared to work on it.
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> >
> > This is what people have been trying to get through to you, if you run
> > debain jessie, you 'HAVE' to use systemd whether you want to or not.
>
> No, you don't. You do have to have systemd installed, and I'm not sure
> why, but systemd does not have to be pid 1.
>
> > Can you answer why a desktop relies on an init system, because I cannot.
>
> Because systemd (or systemd-shim) does session management, and Gnome
> didn't want to keep doing it (badly) themselves.
>
> > I can understand why parts of the desktop rely on something like udev,
> > but this has now been subsumed by systemd.
>
> No it hasn't. The source code for udev is in the same tree as systemd,
> and they share some library functions, but udev still works without systemd.
>
> > If systemd had just been a replacement for sysv or upstart etc, then
> > there would not have been all the row about it, those that wanted to
> > use it could have and those that didn't, didn't have to, but no,
> > because of the way it is taking over the established way of doing
> > things, you are denied the free choice of what init system to use!
>
> Assumes facts not in evidence.

It is hard to ignore your ignorance.

Nik

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