Hi Frits

I've been using live-build for a few years now myself and am intending to
add devuan to my list of debian wheezy/jessie images.

I'm interested to know what you changed in the live-build scripts? Was it
to fix bugs, improvements, ...?

Nice work btw!

Cheers
Ozi

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Godefridus Daalmans <frits@???>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I would like to clarify some things about the live DVD that I made:
>
> - arch is amd64, userid user password live. It works inside virtualbox,
> not tested on bare iron. Do sudo bash to work as root.
>
> - It was an experiment by me to learn live-build and see how far I could
> get with it on Devuan while avoiding systemd
>
> - It's not really a server installation, because that doesn't match with a
> live DVD. Maybe that's why it was so easy to stay away from libsystemd0
> (thanks Devuan!!)
>
> - It has udev and libudev1 (Devuan Jessie, couldn't purge systemd
> completely)
>
> - It is not an "official" Devuan selection of packages; it's a bloated DVD
> full of 2.4 Gb of unrelated stuff. I call it "Vannsätter Linux".
>
> - Nothing from non-free, so it's missing firmware-linux-nonfree, rar,
> p7zip, and various microcodes, as well as mondo/mindi/afio :-(
>
> - No wifi programs 'cause I don't have a laptop (suggestions??)
>
> - I just put on it stuff that I selected for the following four completely
> different purposes:
>
> (1) generic live DVD, like the old Knoppix, for people from my village to
> experiment with when they crash their MS Windows computers. The locale is
> set to sv_SE.UTF-8, good to practise your Swedish. I couldn't figure out
> how to change it while it's running.
> So you can enter your credit card details if you want to begin on-line
> shopping. I'm not a security expert, so I thought iceweasel (=firefox) and
> HTTPS are good enough.
> It has childsplay and stellarium.
>
> (2) basic system admin rescue tools. I've only sporadically worked in a
> system admin rôle, so it probably doesn't have the exact tools that you
> expect :-)
> It's especially lacking backup tools such as mondo/mindi/afio.
>
> (3) programs that I like such as canfield and singularity :-)
>
>
> (4) a large collection of development tools, scripts and programs, and a
> short tutorial I wrote about the GNU hello and Debian hello package.
>
> Let me try to explain (4)
>
> We all need to begin somewhere.
>
> Not all of us are experienced enough in the areas we need to learn to make
> Devuan thrive.
>
> A large task like "make an improved Devuan fork of a Debian package" or
> "make a better udev" or "split dbus in three" is best done in little steps,
> on a "safe" computer system like a live DVD inside virtualbox, so you don't
> thrash your own computer.
>
> I thought that this live DVD would help budding enthusiasts and people
> like me to learn how to assist the Devuan team in their work.
>
> Once you've re-built the Debian hello package yourself, you feel a bit
> more confident that the goals of Devuan are actually attainable and within
> human reach :-)
>
> I cannot begin to say how impressed I am with Debian and Devuan, if you
> look "under the hood", like you can with this live DVD (it contains the
> debian-policy documentation, for instance).
> It gives one the feeling that people much cleverer than you have designed
> this (kinda opposite to systemd).
>
> I made this DVD to help people like me to begin somewhere. Feedback is
> welcome.
>
> Now if you like I can upload it somewhere tonight (slow connection here in
> the sticks). Any legal tips on how to do proper attribution to Devuan,
> Marillat and Debian? Should I make a source DVD for it as well? Maybe I
> should try a jigdo if that's possible.
>
> Please reply to this long e-mail with a short description about what kind
> of packages *you* had *expected* to find on a live DVD. There's 2 Gb left
> :-)
>
> Frits D.
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