>     Hello Arturo,

>     Pardon my interjection, but perhaps you will appreciate my
>     perspective -- regardless, it is a duty to provide pertinent
>     information to those around you.

>     I applaud the efforts of the anarcho-libertarian-crypto-paranoia
>     community, but I find the problems that beset our global society
>     are moraland not technological.

>     I would make the argument that technology is amoral. We choose how
>     to apply technology, for great good or great evil. Therefore, the
>     efforts of humanity should be directed towards the moral behavior
>     of people in systems of interaction.  

>     Such a direction yields less utopian outcomes. For each actor is
>     free to choose in what manner they use their time on this earth.
>     And inasmuch as limited-humans can define an optimal moralityin
>     which we should all subscribe, it is still up to individuals to
>     accept or reject.

>     I sympathize with the champions of technological leverage. Perhaps
>     the train of thought goes, if only we create systems that subvert
>     the status quo, we no longer need to participate in the corrupt
>     systems we’ve inherited. While I very much desire such a
>     thing/place, I still find reservations in that it doesn’t address
>     the moral issue at hand. So long as morality is not adequately
>     addressed, any revolution of any kind will be subject to the
>     incessant decay of  human nature. You could suggest theoretical
>     proofs of safeguards and divisions of power, but given time,
>     corruption seems to be an innate historical fact. Maybe with more
>     intellect we will solve such issues?...I am doubtful because I
>     don’t think intellect is the ‘thing’ that will solve our issues --
>     even a supremely ignorant person can share his/her resources while
>     a sophisticated expert may be less inclined.

>     Are humans self-aware to see outside the inherited culture and
>     scientific understanding of the time to properly define what a
>     corrupt individual is? I think not. Attempts at incorruptible
>     systems are admirable, but I consider the human condition to be
>     far too limiting.

>     So by what basis or perspective do I claim all (myself included)
>     humans to be ignorant, uneducated, and supremely limited? I
>     suppose my belief in higher levels of organization unknown to the
>     world at large i.e. God the Creator. You could attach the entirety
>     of presumptions when it comes to such a volatile statement, but I
>     would hope the rigorous intellectual could entertain the thought
>     without subjecting me to the same ideological box of others who
>     claim to speak with the authority of God.   

>     I believe the optimal morality has been defined by Jesus Christ. I
>     believe that what we see is _not_ what we get as history so
>     clearly displays -- and while some may consider our little speck
>     of dust floating in the cosmos to be the entirety of human
>     experience, I consider it to be the training ground for guiding
>     corrupt beings towards incorruption.  I believe knowledge of such
>     things comes from the spiritual dimension, to anyindividual humble
>     and willing to submit to the will of God.

>     I am here to tell you that the _only true authority of God_ has
>     been restored to this earth in this critical time to prepare for
>     the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and that God does indeed commune
>     with mankind via the mechanism of sincere prayer. I believe these
>     things to be a reality.

>     Let us not use the logic of men to understand such grand concepts,
>     for we know from Kurt Gödel the limitations of logical systems. We
>     also know If we were born in ancient Greece we would reason with
>     the framework of understanding of the time e.g. the earth is
>     composed of 4 elements: earth, fire, wind, water. In current times
>     we will reason according to the modern framework of understanding,
>     still limited nonetheless. Unfortunately it is an impossibility
>     for you to checksum the integrity of this message. All I can do is
>     encourage you to ask the appropriate questions and to _seek
>     knowledge from the spiritual dimension_ with the aid of the
>     current prophet of God (Thomas Monson) and the Book Of Mormon
>     which is a second witness of Jesus Christ and supports the Bible
>     -- It  clarifies many of the adulterations found therein. Knock
>     and it shall be opened, seek and ye shall find. Best wishes.

>     I apologize if my line of reasoning appears simplistic. I chose to
>     be concise over verbose.

>     https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng

>     On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Arturo Filastò <arturo@???
>     <mailto:arturo@filasto.net>> wrote:

>         I apologise in advance if what I talk about may appear to be a
>         little be off topic, but by reading this thread and in
>         particular the words of Jaromil and Amir I believe this is
>         fertile ground in which to express some of my ideas.

>         The more time goes by the more disillusioned I become about
>         some aspects of these so called “movements” close to the
>         anarcho-libertarian-crypto-paranoia sub-system.
>         What actually worries me much more than all of our
>         communications being intercepted and who we speak to known to
>         people we would like to conceal this from is that once we have
>         The Perfect end-to-end encrypted, decentralised, distributed,
>         privacy preserving communication tool that everybody in the
>         world uses, we actually don’t have anything meaningful to say
>         over it.
>         What use is crypto and these tools to us if we don’t have an
>         idea or a plan as to what we should do with it?

>         I see this brainwashing being particularly prevalent in the
>         Berlin scene and it makes me sick and that is one of the
>         reasons why some years ago I fled the city promising to never
>         live here again.

>         The other aspect is that I sometimes have some serious
>         problems understanding what are the motivations and the ideals
>         underpinning the behaviours of certain people in this realm
>         and have been stung by this in the past. Said differently it
>         doesn’t mean that if two people are interested in doing the
>         same thing, they are both doing it for the same reason. The
>         reason, in my opinion, is actually the most important thing
>         and agree on what to do is just not enough, we should also
>         agree on WHY we do it.

>         This lack of vision and common shared objective makes me often
>         doubt if I should continue focussing on what it is I am
>         focussing on and if I should instead move to tackle other more
>         important and relevant problems.
>         The times I have stopped a moment to look around and listen to
>         what the earth is telling us I realise that surveillance and
>         technological control is only just a small piece of this
>         puzzle. If we continue in what we are doing, in not too long
>         we will completely fuck ourselves. We have actually already
>         fucked ourselves, the club of Rome warned us of this already
>         in 1972, but nobody listened to their warning that if nothing
>         were to be done there would not be any turning back. We are
>         now too late. We are fucked. All we can do is extend our the
>         lifetime of humanity, but what has been done is the last
>         century is now IRREVERSIBLE.

>         Going back to the main topic in question I have a hard time
>         understanding why certain people are doing what they do. To
>         make an example I don’t understand why Cody Wilson is so much
>         into this idea of making guns. What is the vision there? What
>         is the end goal?
>         Is it really necessary to fuck up a beautiful technology such
>         as 3d printing to make a political statement? In a way it’s as
>         if somebody were to publish schemes on how to use enzymes to
>         build a bioweapon, hence realising the threat that people
>         proposing more regulation on biohacking are using to justify it.
>         Groups in the past have overthrown their own government
>         without the need of 3d printed guns and let’s be frank you are
>         not going to supply an army with plastic guns and expect them
>         to have a chance against the US government. I’m sorry, but I
>         just don’t buy it.

>         Again I am sorry if this is a long off-topic rant, but I
>         wanted to get these things off my chest and I hope that
>         somebody here can in some way relate to it. Some of the people
>         I have spoken to about ideas have not given the importance I
>         believe this problem deserves and I believe this is caused by
>         the anarcho-libertarian-crypto-paranoia sect brainwashing that
>         I see going on all around me.

>         ~ Arturo

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