"communications being intercepted and who we speak to known to people we
would like to conceal this from is that once we have The Perfect end-to-end
encrypted, decentralised, distributed, privacy preserving communication
tool that everybody in the world uses, we actually don’t have anything
meaningful to say over it."

Dude, there has been a constant in history which is that most people don't
have anything meaningful to say in any medium. Let the general populace
cannibalize themselves, that's their choice, but those who are actually
alive need a way to communicate without prosecution. Stop worrying about
everyone else and focus on the things that you as an individual find
important. Similar individuals who share a vision will be drawn together.
It's never been about saving the world and it never will be.
On Sep 6, 2015 3:21 PM, "Arturo Filastò" <arturo@???> wrote:

> I apologise in advance if what I talk about may appear to be a little be
> off topic, but by reading this thread and in particular the words of
> Jaromil and Amir I believe this is fertile ground in which to express some
> of my ideas.
>
> The more time goes by the more disillusioned I become about some aspects
> of these so called “movements” close to the
> anarcho-libertarian-crypto-paranoia sub-system.
> What actually worries me much more than all of our communications being
> intercepted and who we speak to known to people we would like to conceal
> this from is that once we have The Perfect end-to-end encrypted,
> decentralised, distributed, privacy preserving communication tool that
> everybody in the world uses, we actually don’t have anything meaningful to
> say over it.
> What use is crypto and these tools to us if we don’t have an idea or a
> plan as to what we should do with it?
>
> I see this brainwashing being particularly prevalent in the Berlin scene
> and it makes me sick and that is one of the reasons why some years ago I
> fled the city promising to never live here again.
>
> The other aspect is that I sometimes have some serious problems
> understanding what are the motivations and the ideals underpinning the
> behaviours of certain people in this realm and have been stung by this in
> the past. Said differently it doesn’t mean that if two people are
> interested in doing the same thing, they are both doing it for the same
> reason. The reason, in my opinion, is actually the most important thing and
> agree on what to do is just not enough, we should also agree on WHY we do
> it.
>
> This lack of vision and common shared objective makes me often doubt if I
> should continue focussing on what it is I am focussing on and if I should
> instead move to tackle other more important and relevant problems.
> The times I have stopped a moment to look around and listen to what the
> earth is telling us I realise that surveillance and technological control
> is only just a small piece of this puzzle. If we continue in what we are
> doing, in not too long we will completely fuck ourselves. We have actually
> already fucked ourselves, the club of Rome warned us of this already in
> 1972, but nobody listened to their warning that if nothing were to be done
> there would not be any turning back. We are now too late. We are fucked.
> All we can do is extend our the lifetime of humanity, but what has been
> done is the last century is now IRREVERSIBLE.
>
> Going back to the main topic in question I have a hard time understanding
> why certain people are doing what they do. To make an example I don’t
> understand why Cody Wilson is so much into this idea of making guns. What
> is the vision there? What is the end goal?
> Is it really necessary to fuck up a beautiful technology such as 3d
> printing to make a political statement? In a way it’s as if somebody were
> to publish schemes on how to use enzymes to build a bioweapon, hence
> realising the threat that people proposing more regulation on biohacking
> are using to justify it.
> Groups in the past have overthrown their own government without the need
> of 3d printed guns and let’s be frank you are not going to supply an army
> with plastic guns and expect them to have a chance against the US
> government. I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy it.
>
> Again I am sorry if this is a long off-topic rant, but I wanted to get
> these things off my chest and I hope that somebody here can in some way
> relate to it. Some of the people I have spoken to about ideas have not
> given the importance I believe this problem deserves and I believe this is
> caused by the anarcho-libertarian-crypto-paranoia sect brainwashing that I
> see going on all around me.
>
> ~ Arturo
>
>
>
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