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Auteur: Caleb James DeLisle
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Aan: System undo crew
Onderwerp: Re: [unSYSTEM] Charged over encryption software
Thank you, that looks like what I was interested in. Indeed you're right
that it's usually easy to identify corruption and despotism but harder to
separate the real progress from rehashing of old ideas.



On 04/09/15 11:58, Amir Taaki wrote:
> Since you want the world in simple abstractions:
>
> http://www.freeocalan.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Ocalan-Democratic-Confederalism.pdf
>
> But understand that these are complex issues when we're talking about
> government and society building. There is no "good" or "bad". I refuse
> to take such a stance even with IS.
>
> All of our language is symbolic, and symbols acquire and change meaning
> over time. People essentially communicate with symbols, so understanding
> what symbols represents is a guide into the value systems of the people
> behind those symbols.
>
> No-one is saying to take a "Rojava is pure good" position, but you are
> either a supporter or are not. We should even criticise our friends, so
> they can be better but from a point of understanding. And likewise, we
> should defend the weak and powerless - especially if they share our
> ideas and vision.
>
> Like really, I know who is the fascists in the fight between Turkey and
> the PKK, just like Orwell knew between Catalonia and Franco in Homage to
> Catalonia. Despite the communist purges, he still wanted to fight
> against the fascists and picked a side.
>
> If you resign yourself for the perfect revolution or set of
> circumstances, then whatever, you'll never do anything as people are
> imperfect. A revolution is a time of chaos and there will be corruption,
> power and conflict.
>
> And between a corrupt Europe with fascist parties rising to power
> fuelled by mass immigration and a globalisation enforced by murder, it's
> a bit rich to take some fucking moral high ground comfy in a capitalist
> liberal state.
>
> Caleb James DeLisle:
>> But "Rojava is good", "Rojava is bad"; I refuse to take position. We've
>> spent about long enough killing eachother over abstract symbols so I
>> think we really need a solid protocol specification on this government.
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