Why do you call it a democracy? Let us not kid ourselves.

With the absolute spying that the state agencies now openly admit that they
do, we have to be real, with ourselves and with the world. Such spying is not
about the individual so much as it is about spying on the mind of the organism
that is each nation, state, county, any power structure. What they really have
and employ is the real time feedback of how their lies and manipulation
tactics are working on the people! Think about it. Realize this: The
teleprompters of obama controlled by the NSA in real time based upon the real
time feedback of data mining every twitter post, ever facebook like, dislike,
comment, Etc. Same for harper. Same for cameron. Same for every such puppet.
Think about it. The real time feedback of every bug everywhere at ever level.
This is them adjusting their message (lies) in real time based upon how well
their lies are fooling people! The puppets they groom to put into cheerleader
(President, Etc.) positions are provided with exactly what to say, when to say
it, and when to keep their mouth shut -- all enabled by this real time feed
direct from the populations mind.

This is fucking obvious. You (not speaking to you here Amir) are ignorant if
you do not see this. Do not kid yourself. Snowden already proved that what
they can do, they were already doing, and you were a fool to think otherwise!

So, if we want democracy, then we have to make this spying absolutely illegal!
Since the implication is that it cannot be made illegal, because that would
put us at a disadvantage to other countries (Chinese hackers, Russian hackers,
whatever the justification), then we have to at least do one thing then: stop
calling what we have a Democracy! It is a fucking dictatorship by those who
have such ability! To fool ourselves that we have anything even remotely
resembling a democracy is disingenuous at best and fucking stupid lies in
reality. It is admitted the agencies do this, then it is admitted that it is
absolutely not a democracy. Let us develop this conversation so our countries
can no longer be called a democracy by anyone. That will obliterate what
vestige of moral high ground these tyrants have left.

Sam

On Monday, August 31, 2015 12:37:52 PM Amir Taaki wrote:
> Foucault was interested not only in historical analysis, but the history
> of how historical analysis has changed. The process by which historians
> look for trends claims a kind of neutrality. They are merely exposing
> the timeless unseen forces driving history. But historians are not
> scientists, and even scientists are humans. Foucault showed that this
> analysis by historians is shaped by their values and ideology, and the
> role of institutional power on development of knowledge.
>
> So can we truly have a neutrality? Or is this a lie? If everything is a
> power, then what is this power advocating for? Power is not only at the
> point of the gun. Maybe in the beginning when one side is weak, but as
> they grow, they become institutionalised, embedded in societies'
> consciousness and become the new status quo merely defending themselves.
>
> Now civil war has broken out in Southern Turkey, and everyday police and
> army are being killed by guerillas and city self defense forces. This
> was after the mayors of towns in Southern Kurdish areas of Turkey
> declared autonomy - that they no longer want to participate in the
> Kurdish elected state. Self defense councils run by the community, and
> organised with help from guerillas were formed. The mayors of the towns
> were elected through the Turkish state.
>
> Everyday though Turkish television is broadcasting scenes of crying
> parents. Coffins draped with the Turkish flag, a state funeral and
> shouting from the mother or father in anger over their son killed by the
> vicious terrorists. The state propaganda is relentless. An Islamist
> state ruled by Erdogan, a dictatorial fascist, who was good friends with
> Hekmatyar, a vicious Islamist terrorist. And the terrorists?
> Libertarians following the strategy of Bookchain's municipal autonomism
> aiming to create a society of direct democracy, gender equality,
> political pluralism, economic cooperatives, and preserve ecology.
>
> America, the great bastion of global freedom, spreading the values of
> democracy and freedom now stands with the Islamist Turkish government
> against the libertarian PKK terrorists. A Turkish government which has
> also supporting Islamist groups in the Syrian civil war. Why has it
> become so fashionable to compromise on our ethics in global politics?
> Has the world ruling class become so paralysed with nihilism that the
> only was forwards that they see is making huge ethical compromises so
> the bad guys don't take their throne? Or worse even is there a
> conspiratorial plot to suck the world dry before the inevitable collapse
> from an unsustainable system? Or is it that we've all blindly bought
> into an anti-ideological managerial belief of neutrality, driven by
> blind selfishness labouring under a globalised tragedy of the commons
> like autonoms in a giant machinery of slavery tearing ourselves apart.
>
> Whatever the cause, it's clear there is a seething hatred of discontent
> bubbling below the surface. The inability for the system to adapt is
> only antagonising this force which is unlike anything we've seen in
> history yet. The transhumanists talk of a magical technological horizon
> we'll cross which will suck us deep into the well of acceleration which
> they worship as the transcending era of humanity. I instead see it more
> like an age of warfare, starvation and death from the ashes of which
> something new will soar and that we are participating in this.
>
> I wonder sometimes, how do the bureaucrats view this? These young
> wild-eyes idealists and whipper snippers who know nothing of the world,
> that want to rebel and reject politics. There's often a competing
> narrative on the one hand of a young electorate that has decided to
> reject voting because they're absorbed in iPads and PlayStations, and
> the other of a young people that do not appreciate the great democracy
> that their great great grandparents fought to defend. "If only we can
> get them to engage in the system" they tell us, a system which doesn't
> want to listen to the inexperienced voices of new blood, or allow them
> to make mistakes.
>
> Audacious politicians even propose making laws to force people to vote.
> And so politics has sunk into the guttertrash of spin and shoddy ethics
> for the greater good of tweaking the establishment:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19W8uunIsw
>
> The rise in the last few years of opposition parties or people such as
> Ron Paul, UKIP, Podemos, SYRIZA and HDP is part of a new trend in which
> identity politics is on the rise. Although these parties or groups
> supposedly come from different parts of the spectrum, they share a lot
> in common in terms of form and not simply content or policy. Although
> they are still analysed through the classic lens of left/right politics,
> they together represent a new class of politics which is different from
> before. And really, I believe they are more similar than different
> because of how they engage the electorate.
>
> General UK elections are Labour ('left') and Conservation ('right')
> punting the ball between each other every decade with the Liberal
> Democrats usually controlling a usual 10% minority. However in the last
> 2015 UK election, a new party, the UK Independence Party which campaigns
> for UK sovereignty and an exit from domination from Brussells gained
> 12.7% of the vote, and the LibDems gained only 7.9%. A surprising
> result, yet because of the crappy vote counting system in the UK (First
> Past the Post), UKIP got only 1 seat in parliament while the 2 main
> parties got 330 and 232, and the SNP with 8.6% got 56 seats in the
> national parliament.
>
> Now there is the Labour leadership elections. There's the usual
> predictable riff raff of plastic clones that say whatever they think is
> popular, but another guy Jeremy Corbyn has become very popular among
> youth and re-energised Labour politics. He talks about crazy things like
> taking on the corporations, shutting down the nuclear program, or
> boosting the health service. He has a history of voting against most
> Labour policies including the war and is portrayed as a crazy old
> leftist and Marxist.
>
> Inevitably what all the talk about why he has suddenly become popular is
> still framed as left and right but misses the fundamental crucial point.
> He talks like a human being. He doesn't flip flop to curry favour. He
> has an ideology and a belief that guides his own thoughts and talks with
> conviction and charisma. He shows a humbleness, dressing modestly, and
> says that:
>
> “I have this desperately old fashioned point of view that policy making
> and decision making should not come from the top, passed down the food
> chain for the foot soldiers to go and knock on doors and release it on
> the unsuspecting public,”
>
> This is not a backing of a political candidate. I simply want to better
> understand the forces guiding change here. Watch that YouTube video I
> posted above, and compare it with the stark contrast of the Jeremy
> Corbyn campaign. You have the professional politicians wish an
> established way of creating election campaigns, spreading their
> marketing message, making spin campaigns, carefully controlled and
> managed public appearances. And it stinks, everybody knows it stinks of
> garbage. This system only serves the ethically devoid:
> Liz Kendall profile: 'I don’t want to protest. I want to get into power':
> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/10/liz-kendall-profile-power-la
> bour-leadership-election
>
> Then Corbyn is this old man in a sweater that is not caring to answer
> critics who attack him, simply pushing his ideas, doing interviews on
> YouTube and making large public rallies that are packed and a campaign
> funded by donations through the internet.
>
> Quote from the Guardian:
>
> "Long-Bailey described Corbyn as “everything a stereotypical careerist
> politician isn’t.” She said she had encountered two kinds of MP in
> Westminster: conviction politicians and “consensus” ones. She had no
> time for the latter, describing them as the sort of people who think
> changing the world “is all a very good idea in principle but they like
> to put their efforts into tweaking an existing consensus and appealing
> to what’s popular in the media at the time.”"
>
> His appeal has even made Tony Blair, universally despised and hated in
> England, come out against him, as well as all of the current Labour
> leadership in the pockets of corporations.
> Corbynmania is ‘Alice in Wonderland’ politics, says Tony Blair in final
> plea
> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/29/tony-blair-corbynmania-alice
> -in-wonderland
>
> Their argument is that for the good of the Labour party, and being able
> to make real change, the general election is God. And that unless the
> Labour party is a party of appeasement, they will not win. Therefore
> they must play the game. This is the crux of the main argument, and one
> which rests on "the means justify the ends". Among all the excitement
> and energy which is revitalising the youth and giving them hope, are
> bureaucrats from the dead age clinging to what they know and calling on
> them to listen to logic. Tony Blair says Corbyn’s supporters are
> operating in a “parallel reality” which rejects evidence and reason, and
> says their leftwing choice for leader will be an electoral disaster.
>
> It goes further, and something is let out which betrays who morally
> bankrupt and corrupted these snakes which hold our chains actually are.
> As Tony Blair goes on to validate himself and why plastic politicians
> desperate for power willing to sell themselves to power are a good
> thing, Blair admits that he does not fully understand the forces that
> are stoking what he calls “Corbynmania”.
>
> As in, he does not understand what are the forces behind this. We'll
> have to keep an eye on exactly his intent behind this phrasing. As
> another Labour candidate said Corbyn’s popularity “reflects a deep
> disillusionment” with Westminster politics. But I'm sure that Tony Blair
> already understands this. And that his opposition has more to it, than
> simply winning an election.
>
> The Guarian says:
>
> "Tony Blair sees Corbynmania as part of a trend across western
> democracies that has seen movements from right and left, including the
> SNP in Scotland, suddenly prosper off the back of disillusionment with
> traditional politics and a resulting desire to “fight back against the
> system”."
> ...
>
> "However, he says such movements provide a “refuge from reality” rather
> than a means of confronting it."
>
> Tony Blair:
>
> “It is a vast wave of feeling against the unfairness of globalisation,
> against elites, against the humdrum navigation of decision-making in an
> imperfect world. It persuades itself that it has a monopoly on
> authenticity. They’re ‘telling it like it is’; when of course they’re
> telling it like it isn’t.”
>
> Despite all the talk they bang on about democracy, you really sometimes
> get an opportunity to see deep into the soul of these people. It reminds
> me of an article I read when the Conservatives were campaigning against
> changing the UK vote counting system to a fairer method, one of their
> MPs said that the country needs to have someone with their hand on the
> steering wheel. For all their talk of free markets (the Conservatives),
> I don't think they actually believe in market economics steering
> politics. And when you have the guys in charge telling us no, this
> cannot happen because party X won't get into power which represents you
> better than party Y but then their actions show that on some deeper
> level they are even more compromised than they present to us. That we're
> being lied to by pretenders that claim to share our values. Pretenders
> that justify to themselves, they are experts and professionals to the
> throne, despite claiming not to fully understand the global forces at
> work. Against an inevitability of change, they are fighting against it
> claiming that the change will not happen therefore we need to stop the
> change.
>
> And why do we respect these people? Is it because they wear a suit or
> have good propaganda? We all know their technological legislation is
> rubbish, that they understand nothing. Why do we think they understand
> anything at all? If you watch the interviews of Ashton Carter or Obama
> on VICE News about the Islamic State, the things they say are hopeless.
> They still talk about eliminating 'the leadership' and haven't even
> begun to grasp the ideological aspect that gives this movement its
> power. They created the Iraqi government, with the best weapons but
> without an ideology, with a claimed neutrality that crippled it and they
> just run away from battle and corruption is massive. And yet IS which is
> the enemy of everyone is thriving with a strong court system that
> challenges corruption, and a successful economy. We can listen to the
> propaganda or study real sources.
>
> I can't find the article, but it was the Telegraph or some newspaper
> telling about how the IS raises $$ through 'extortion of businesses' in
> their terroritory. In other words: taxes. Funny the double standard from
> a press that pretends to be neutral.
>
> Jeremy Corbyn poses national security threat, says George Osborne
> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/31/jeremy-corbyn-poses-national
> -security-threat-george-osborne
>
> An MP from the same Labour party now takes it to the next level. This
> guy is now an international danger which he calls "an unholy alliance of
> Labour’s leftwing insurgents and the Scottish nationalists" because he
> wants to scrap the UK nuclear weapon system. This is the power defending
> the power. With this also comes a new announcement to renew the program
> for £500m. That it will create thooouussands of jobs! There is many
> interesting things we can see here, about the formation of power and how
> the structure feeds itself.
>
> To put the icing on the cake, I'm going to leave you with the latest
> Islamic State video, titled:
>
> "Return of the Gold Dinar"
>
> Starring interviews from Ron Paul, information about the corrupt banking
> system that supports wars and control, and unveiling the release of the
> new Islamic State monetary system: gold, silver and copper coins.
>
> Much of the content of this video is libertarian philosophy.
>
> https://ia601503.us.archive.org/32/items/ROTGD_201508/ROTGD.mp4
>
> Pictures:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/LcAlj
>
> The dominations will be worth around: 640€, 130€, 10€, 5€, 1€, 10ct, 5ct
>
> Ron Paul:
>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNmVgtvUEAEsAfR.png
>
> So what happens after we bomb IS out of existance? The world will return
> to normality right?
>
> "There is no alternative" said Margaret Thatcher in the 80s, and in the
> 90s after communism fell, an author wrote a very popular book called
> 'The End of History and the Last Man' which said:
>
> "What we may be witnessing is not just the end of the Cold War, or the
> passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of
> history as such: that is, the end point of mankind's ideological
> evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the
> final form of human government."
>
> Idiot.
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