I would like to humbly add my little contribution to this thread.

I am posting using Devuan 64 bit connected to a home WIFI without any
network managers. I connect by using separate /etc/network/interfaces
files. The one for my home wifi is in /etc/network/interfaces while
the rest are saved under my home directory.

To connect, I use the command as root:
ifup wlan0 -i an-interfaces-file

My experience is this is a reliable connection. When I used wicd it
used to disconnect very frequently. I also used desktop network
managers, but these now many need systemd as a dependency.

My point is, what I do manually, can be done through code resulting in
a simple application. The advantage I see is, it would be standalone.

I am tempted to create this application to automate my connection, but
most probably, as I am more prolific in Delphi Pascal, the language of
choice will be Lazarus Pascal. I can write C++ GUI applications but
that requires more effort on my part. As long as logic programming in
C/C++ that is on the same level if not easier.

The hardest part seem to be allowing the ifup command to run with root
privileges.

On 16/08/2015, T.J. Duchene <t.j.duchene@???> wrote:
> Well, I suppose the topic has been beat up enough, but I just wanted to
> clear
> up something before moving on. I want you to understand why I came to the
> Devuan list in the first place. I came here under the assumption that Devuan
> was going to be a "better Debian" without the shove the Technical Committee
> and the failure of the GR gave to one single point of view.
>
> As far as I can tell, Devuan is about the same, with one difference. Devuan
> is
> willing to package systemd if it can be done cleanly - but nobody wants to.
> Debian will support System 5, again until nobody wants to.
>
> I suppose I should be used to that. The fault is mine. I expect too much,
> when everyone feels that they have been burned one too many times.
>
> Nexttime: "Devuan will not work to support systemd and will not work against
> it. We will not do any effort to support it, if someone want to work to
> package
> it in a way where it works WITHOUT needs support for any other package
> depending on it, we will consider to add it as an option, but we will NOT
> accept it if it ask us to put it in dependency tree. "
>
> That is all I EVER suggested, with one slight difference. That if it is
> somehow possible in the future to maintain two versions of the same package
> that the default version would be without systemd, but the other would be
> available at the users' option as a matter of choice.
>
> Steve Litt:
>
> "Considering the source you're replying to, it's not worth even worrying
> about.
>
> The other side sure doesn't respect freedom of choice. That's why
> we're here in the first place. Inclusion of systemd tends to reduce
> freedom of choice, not enhance it. "
>
> I am not on the "other side" of the argument. To me, there is no argument
> to
> begin with. I am neither an advocate for systemd nor am I an advocate for
> System 5. Both have issues and are basically different approaches to the
> same
> problem.
>
> That Steve objects to me personally - "the source" - is of course his own
> affair and I can care less. In saying this it is not a condemnation of him.
> I
> just do not want other people to think he knows what's on my mind. For the
> record, he doesn't even know me.
>
> Whatever his opinion of me, I respect his position just the same.
>
>
>
> Didier Kryn:
>
> "This has been discussed so many times already! It sitll has to be
> proven that offering systemd is possible without abandoning freedom of
> choice for many other things."
>
> Honestly, Didier, I think it already has. Gentoo handles the situation very
> well. It is possible, but it might require some tweaking to get the packages
> right.
>
> "Why should we bother when there's a simple way for Devuan to provide
> Systemd:
> http-redirect -> www.debian.org"
>
> I'm not accusing anyone of anything but I genuinely I do not understand
> that.
> Since the tone of Nexttime's post suggests that he/she would prefer that
> this
> discussion end, please message me privately if you have something to add. I
> don't understand how Devuan can grow if the general attitude on the mailing
> list is "go away."
>
>
>
> Have a great day everyone! (Yes both Steve and Didlier too!)
>
> T. J.
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