"T.J. Duchene" <t.j.duchene@???> writes:
> I know I have said this before, but I just wanted to say that both
> threads are really the same issue. I think the overarching problem
> that both Debian and Devuan have is the very same problem: packaging.
> From my little corner of the world, every disagreement so far seems to
> be a package problem. The only difference is that Debian is aiming
> toward systemd, while Devuan is aiming toward System 5.

I'm not convinced that there is any 'overarching problem': Debian
claims to support "43,000 packages" of easily installable software. This
confuses some people into believing the only possible way to build a
usuable system based on Debian but with making some different policy
descisions MUST be to start with creating 43,000 forked packages which
all have to be modified manually. Since this is obviously a prohibitive
workload, they consider this a prime roadblock, even despite they
understand very little about the topic, cf the "curious incident of the
vanishingly small amount of vanishing auxiliary code most of which could
be dropped without anyone ever noticing".

But this is almost certainly not the case as even a thorougly evil
Debian team would simply lack the manpower to make '43,000 packages'
depend on systemd in a way that wouldn't be easily
removable. Also, while 'trying' doesn't guarantee success, 'not trying'
guarantees failure.