On August 8, 2015 2:39:15 PM CEST, Dave Turner <dave_t_turner@???> wrote:
>If the developers of devuan are paying a lot of attention to the
>various
>discussions on here about init systems, audio, getting rid of
>pulseaudio
>and other 'pet-hates' then it slows down the implementation of
>Plan A:-
>get rid of systemd. Preferably all references to it such as
>systemd-shim
>will be gone too.
>
>If things such as vdev _have_ to become part of devuan to make that
>happen then so be it.
>
>Only when there is a proper release of devuan so that anybody who
>wants
>to can build a working devuan server for use in a production
>environment
>is Plan A complete.
>
>And then all those 'wants' and 'pet-hates' and 'can XFCE be the default
>
>desktop' become relevant and the developers can decide on their
>priorities.
>
>Meanwhile, the Alpha release works, feel free to use it. I have been
>using it but various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a
>full debian jessie install with systemd and all. I soooo wish I hadn't!
>desktop-file-utils, thunar and other packages don't install properly
>but
>do actually work.
>At every update upgrade cycle dpkg complains about them not being
>configured.
>XFCE doesn't work at all.
>There were the same unconfigured problems with mate, I won't install
>gnome or kde so I used twm (it is a good job I am so old I can remember
>
>when twm was about all there was!), but now my old iMac and me are
>happily working with ctwm.
>What fun! (But not for the normal people that have to use my computer)
>
>DaveT
>
>
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All those changes will not slowdown release as they will enter in devuan, first in ceres and then in ascii, only after jessie release.
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