On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner
<dave_t_turner@???> wrote:
> various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian jessie install with systemd and all. I soooo wish I hadn't!
> XFCE doesn't work at all.

Devuan Testing installs systemd by default, but it's easy to remove
without breaking anything,
and after installing pm-utils XFCE works perfectly on my computer!