>     T.J. Duchene wrote:

>         On 08/07/2015 09:31 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:

>             Trivial as in, somebody has to do it.  The whole point of
>             packaging is to automate a lot of the routine things
>             involved in installation.

>             And, because Debian (and presumeably Devuan) don't put
>             stuff in default locations, packaging involves changing
>             the default locations of things.

>             Where this leads is that down the road, we either need a
>             full set of Devuan-specific package maintainers, or
>             everybody is back to compiling and installing from
>             upstream source.

>             Miles Fidelman

>         Good evening, Miles!  =)

>     Good morning T.J. !

>         If I might offer an opinion, I do not think that the situation
>         is quite that dire.  The packages that require init scripts
>         are a tiny fraction of the entire repository.  For the moment,
>         the scripts Devuan needs are still in the Debian archives as
>         Jesse has System 5 support.

>         Devuan can just replicate them and support them moving forward.

>     Well, maybe.  The original poster started with the statement
>     "Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init
>     scripts.  However, Debian developers refused to support several
>     init systems. So it's only a matter of time when they remove init
>     scripts from packages." If that's true, then we have problem.

>     My sense is that systemd is having close to zero effect on
>     upstream code - most stuff is shipping with traditional sysv init
>     scripts, with some folks adding systemd units, but most basically
>     ignoring systemd.

>     If the Debian packagers do what makes sense - i.e., simply tweak
>     sysv init scripts that come from upstream, and rely on systemd's
>     support for init scripts, then all is copacetic.

>     If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including
>     homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework.

>     Miles

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